1 00:00:23,109 --> 00:00:09,080 welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast 2 00:00:29,300 --> 00:00:26,259 yes it's the skeptics on episode number 3 00:00:31,460 --> 00:00:29,310 159 for I'm not even sure the data is 4 00:00:33,560 --> 00:00:31,470 because folks I have to tell you I'm in 5 00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:33,570 the middle of death valley east Death 6 00:00:37,880 --> 00:00:35,010 Valley California with my good friend 7 00:00:39,970 --> 00:00:37,890 Brian Dunning from skipped I'd car I 8 00:00:45,170 --> 00:00:39,980 knew he was going to say that Brian 9 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:45,180 signora we are in a little guy I'm lost 10 00:00:48,140 --> 00:00:46,530 for words we're having a chili burger 11 00:00:50,720 --> 00:00:48,150 that's all I know but we are in death 12 00:00:52,640 --> 00:00:50,730 valley and we've had a wonderfully 13 00:00:54,380 --> 00:00:52,650 interesting day we've been freezing all 14 00:00:57,680 --> 00:00:54,390 day we had happened we're sitting here 15 00:01:01,490 --> 00:00:57,690 in the bar at Hanuman Springs eating 16 00:01:03,890 --> 00:01:01,500 chili burgers and drinking some of their 17 00:01:07,160 --> 00:01:03,900 amazing beer collection what I selection 18 00:01:10,760 --> 00:01:07,170 they have and we yeah we have we started 19 00:01:13,880 --> 00:01:10,770 off at titus canyon and then we went to 20 00:01:17,750 --> 00:01:13,890 the racetrack and where the mysterious 21 00:01:19,970 --> 00:01:17,760 moving rocks are and it was cold oh boy 22 00:01:22,190 --> 00:01:19,980 it's been freezing most the day we've 23 00:01:23,990 --> 00:01:22,200 been driving through snow we've been 24 00:01:26,930 --> 00:01:24,000 that we had we had some rain we had some 25 00:01:29,510 --> 00:01:26,940 a blazing sandstorm this morning yeah 26 00:01:32,899 --> 00:01:29,520 and what month is it even I don't even 27 00:01:35,149 --> 00:01:32,909 know this is argosy November yet I think 28 00:01:38,690 --> 00:01:35,159 so no homes and and we've been getting 29 00:01:40,550 --> 00:01:38,700 snow today yeah but but we I know your 30 00:01:43,070 --> 00:01:40,560 confusion because the last two days have 31 00:01:45,230 --> 00:01:43,080 seen like I put in three months worth of 32 00:01:48,080 --> 00:01:45,240 adventure it's been a whirlwind week to 33 00:01:49,219 --> 00:01:48,090 go to the the racetrack weather may have 34 00:01:52,910 --> 00:01:49,229 heard about it whistle is where these 35 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:52,920 famous stones move across the the 36 00:01:57,010 --> 00:01:55,010 mudflats all by themselves 37 00:01:58,570 --> 00:01:57,020 and you did an episode on a Brian where 38 00:02:01,090 --> 00:01:58,580 you came up with a very plausible 39 00:02:03,700 --> 00:02:01,100 explanation i must say a very a very 40 00:02:07,210 --> 00:02:03,710 early episode of skip toy am I allowed 41 00:02:11,530 --> 00:02:07,220 to summarize that explanation ah please 42 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:11,540 do i was there back in 2002 in the 43 00:02:15,970 --> 00:02:14,210 spring and the thing about the spring is 44 00:02:18,100 --> 00:02:15,980 that the snowmelt has been coming down 45 00:02:20,650 --> 00:02:18,110 and flowing on to the racetrack the 46 00:02:23,020 --> 00:02:20,660 racetrack is a flat dry lake bed but 47 00:02:24,430 --> 00:02:23,030 it's not low desert like like many 48 00:02:26,980 --> 00:02:24,440 places are it's actually up in the high 49 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:26,990 desert so it's fairly unusual but it's 50 00:02:30,730 --> 00:02:28,730 not long it's right like that's it's not 51 00:02:32,740 --> 00:02:30,740 dry all the time it sounds like when the 52 00:02:35,350 --> 00:02:32,750 snowmelt comes down there's a lake 53 00:02:39,640 --> 00:02:35,360 that's on it and you're still at a high 54 00:02:42,100 --> 00:02:39,650 altitude it's boy I want to say five six 55 00:02:43,990 --> 00:02:42,110 thousand feet listeners can google 56 00:02:47,050 --> 00:02:44,000 racetrack and Death Valley nope I'm done 57 00:02:48,940 --> 00:02:47,060 and so it gets quite cold and this 58 00:02:51,420 --> 00:02:48,950 little lake that's on it freezes and 59 00:02:54,640 --> 00:02:51,430 what do you have when there's a frozen 60 00:02:56,320 --> 00:02:54,650 giant sheet of ice over a dry lake bed 61 00:02:58,630 --> 00:02:56,330 that has rocks poking up through it and 62 00:03:01,000 --> 00:02:58,640 you have these incredibly strong winds 63 00:03:02,650 --> 00:03:01,010 why didn't like that nearly killed us we 64 00:03:06,580 --> 00:03:02,660 can attest to the incredibly strong oh 65 00:03:08,680 --> 00:03:06,590 my god Wow hypothermia yeah and so it's 66 00:03:11,040 --> 00:03:08,690 this ice sheet is literally dragging the 67 00:03:15,250 --> 00:03:11,050 rocks around back and forth as it moves 68 00:03:18,850 --> 00:03:15,260 ice has a lot more torque than torque is 69 00:03:21,370 --> 00:03:18,860 not the right word cool Oh push palette 70 00:03:23,740 --> 00:03:21,380 has a lot it grips the rights more 71 00:03:27,970 --> 00:03:23,750 strongly than when the Minton one might 72 00:03:30,130 --> 00:03:27,980 say the the usual scientific explanation 73 00:03:32,229 --> 00:03:30,140 is that wind pushes the rocks all by 74 00:03:35,820 --> 00:03:32,239 itself now as anyone can imagine if 75 00:03:38,740 --> 00:03:35,830 you've got a mud a giant heavy rock 76 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:38,750 sitting in soft mud and kind of embedded 77 00:03:42,759 --> 00:03:40,850 how much wind is it going to take to 78 00:03:44,320 --> 00:03:42,769 actually pick that rock up and started 79 00:03:46,390 --> 00:03:44,330 moving but this doesn't happen some of 80 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:46,400 the rocks we saw there today these are 81 00:03:51,729 --> 00:03:49,130 not pebbles folks I can assure you they 82 00:03:54,820 --> 00:03:51,739 were substantial rocks you could not 83 00:03:56,920 --> 00:03:54,830 lift in your wildest rhiness these are 84 00:03:58,030 --> 00:03:56,930 serious rocks and they will be somehow 85 00:04:01,270 --> 00:03:58,040 drag 86 00:04:03,580 --> 00:04:01,280 pushed around and your ice explanation i 87 00:04:05,979 --> 00:04:03,590 think is is pretty good and you did a 88 00:04:08,289 --> 00:04:05,989 video yes i took video of this of this 89 00:04:11,949 --> 00:04:08,299 frozen lake moving across the surface 90 00:04:14,740 --> 00:04:11,959 now when i was there it was a little bit 91 00:04:16,960 --> 00:04:14,750 later in the spring and there was some 92 00:04:18,939 --> 00:04:16,970 ice on the lake but it was mostly just 93 00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:18,949 water and so we didn't actually see any 94 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:21,289 ice sheets hitting the rocks because it 95 00:04:25,749 --> 00:04:22,810 was a little bit too warm for that 96 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:25,759 however in the previous weeks that's 97 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:27,130 what had been happening the whole time 98 00:04:32,260 --> 00:04:29,810 this whole lake was a giant ice sheet 99 00:04:35,620 --> 00:04:32,270 and this this powerful wind was just 100 00:04:38,469 --> 00:04:35,630 moving it around so I'm fairly confident 101 00:04:40,240 --> 00:04:38,479 that I was lucky enough to see what 102 00:04:42,189 --> 00:04:40,250 causes the rocks to move even though we 103 00:04:43,810 --> 00:04:42,199 didn't actually see rocks getting pushed 104 00:04:45,070 --> 00:04:43,820 by the ice what's them at the time we 105 00:04:46,420 --> 00:04:45,080 were there what's the name of your skip 106 00:04:48,010 --> 00:04:46,430 toid episode on this it's called the 107 00:04:50,050 --> 00:04:48,020 flight no no flying rocks and move 108 00:04:51,909 --> 00:04:50,060 you're not very colorful the living 109 00:04:53,320 --> 00:04:51,919 stones of death Bell you're living 110 00:04:54,939 --> 00:04:53,330 stones of the Death Valley worth 111 00:04:57,310 --> 00:04:54,949 listening to listeners if you haven't 112 00:05:01,540 --> 00:04:57,320 listened to that episode of sceptile but 113 00:05:04,089 --> 00:05:01,550 on the rest of today's show we we go 114 00:05:07,420 --> 00:05:04,099 back to Louisiana to New Orleans for the 115 00:05:10,810 --> 00:05:07,430 psych on convention where I was a number 116 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:10,820 of days ago I catch up to a mirror you 117 00:05:16,390 --> 00:05:13,490 hello a mirror on your on your yacht who 118 00:05:18,310 --> 00:05:16,400 is a listen to the show hi Amira we're 119 00:05:21,040 --> 00:05:18,320 ready for our invitation to your yard 120 00:05:22,360 --> 00:05:21,050 yes please send us their and our good 121 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:22,370 friend and a good friend of the skeptics 122 00:05:30,399 --> 00:05:26,090 own dr. Steve novella and boo who's he 123 00:05:32,529 --> 00:05:30,409 yeah right and after that it's back to a 124 00:05:34,719 --> 00:05:32,539 skeptic at Melbourne a few weeks ago 125 00:05:37,270 --> 00:05:34,729 where a good friend in the report of 126 00:05:40,450 --> 00:05:37,280 maynard catches up with 127 00:05:41,770 --> 00:05:40,460 people attending skeptical and I still 128 00:05:43,960 --> 00:05:41,780 wish I was there but I you know you 129 00:05:46,270 --> 00:05:43,970 can't be everywhere at once and we're 130 00:05:53,080 --> 00:05:46,280 going to cover such issues as HIV denial 131 00:05:56,500 --> 00:05:53,090 and the UMS s Prime the UM a SS what do 132 00:06:00,010 --> 00:05:56,510 you think that um mrs. University of 133 00:06:02,470 --> 00:06:00,020 Maryland Secret Service how did you know 134 00:06:06,400 --> 00:06:02,480 all right out what highly intuitive Oh 135 00:06:09,760 --> 00:06:06,410 find out more and after that we go into 136 00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:09,770 oh yes oh yes it's the hot tub of truth 137 00:06:16,630 --> 00:06:12,410 Brian ah ah and we learn all about how 138 00:06:18,640 --> 00:06:16,640 you put skip toy skip droid your podcast 139 00:06:20,230 --> 00:06:18,650 how you put it together well you have to 140 00:06:24,760 --> 00:06:20,240 be skeptical of what I say because maybe 141 00:06:27,340 --> 00:06:24,770 I'm just making stuff up as I go ah well 142 00:06:29,710 --> 00:06:27,350 Brian you and I are you finished you 143 00:06:31,060 --> 00:06:29,720 fool I've been too busy trying to put 144 00:06:33,280 --> 00:06:31,070 the show together you finished your 145 00:06:35,350 --> 00:06:33,290 chili burger I want to i'm so hungry and 146 00:06:37,450 --> 00:06:35,360 I'm cold and the chili is fabulous here 147 00:06:39,310 --> 00:06:37,460 it's damn good it's damn good I've still 148 00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:39,320 got half of my chili burger to go I'm 149 00:06:43,870 --> 00:06:41,810 going to dig into that I'm going to 150 00:07:05,529 --> 00:06:43,880 enjoy the rest of this beer I'll dismiss 151 00:07:10,969 --> 00:07:08,600 well I'm back here at the committee for 152 00:07:12,859 --> 00:07:10,979 skeptical inquiry convention in New 153 00:07:15,109 --> 00:07:12,869 Orleans it's still going on too 154 00:07:17,539 --> 00:07:15,119 marvelous time and I've had the great 155 00:07:19,759 --> 00:07:17,549 pleasure to meet a mirror hello hello 156 00:07:22,159 --> 00:07:19,769 how are you I'm doing well I'm doing 157 00:07:24,829 --> 00:07:22,169 really well today it's our day 3 or day 158 00:07:26,209 --> 00:07:24,839 for sort of losing count people then we 159 00:07:28,579 --> 00:07:26,219 notice that people are eating all this 160 00:07:31,999 --> 00:07:28,589 ice cream yes ice cream with warm cones 161 00:07:35,179 --> 00:07:32,009 all sorts of lovely snacks supplied by 162 00:07:37,040 --> 00:07:35,189 the convention very nice work now I'd 163 00:07:39,589 --> 00:07:37,050 like to have a chat with you because you 164 00:07:41,149 --> 00:07:39,599 said hello to me a few days ago because 165 00:07:43,429 --> 00:07:41,159 you listened to the skeptic zone I 166 00:07:45,049 --> 00:07:43,439 absolutely do one of the first podcasts 167 00:07:48,459 --> 00:07:45,059 one of the first skeptical podcasts I 168 00:07:50,809 --> 00:07:48,469 ever came across and listening to it for 169 00:07:53,059 --> 00:07:50,819 put a year and a half now that's 170 00:07:56,389 --> 00:07:53,069 fantastic and of course which is great 171 00:07:59,089 --> 00:07:56,399 I'm so pleased you do but you listen to 172 00:08:03,169 --> 00:07:59,099 it in an unusual spot doing unusual 173 00:08:05,119 --> 00:08:03,179 things now don't get any ideas yeah I 174 00:08:07,790 --> 00:08:05,129 live on a I live on a boat I live on a 175 00:08:11,179 --> 00:08:07,800 on a private yacht I work on that yard 176 00:08:13,850 --> 00:08:11,189 as well and I work when the guests 177 00:08:16,909 --> 00:08:13,860 aren't there I work a regular day nine 178 00:08:19,249 --> 00:08:16,919 to five in the galley and I download 179 00:08:22,939 --> 00:08:19,259 many many podcasts and listen to them 180 00:08:25,179 --> 00:08:22,949 back to back all day long Wow yes so 181 00:08:28,850 --> 00:08:25,189 that's how I caught up on a few years of 182 00:08:30,199 --> 00:08:28,860 of your podcasts yeah so in cruising 183 00:08:31,790 --> 00:08:30,209 alone in the ocean and the ship's 184 00:08:33,350 --> 00:08:31,800 rocking back and forth and you're 185 00:08:36,199 --> 00:08:33,360 hearing in the background the skirts 186 00:08:38,480 --> 00:08:36,209 pixels that song at the crew knows that 187 00:08:39,889 --> 00:08:38,490 song off by heart already but most of 188 00:08:42,949 --> 00:08:39,899 the time we're in the marina when the 189 00:08:47,869 --> 00:08:42,959 guests aren't there but yep it's on it's 190 00:08:49,910 --> 00:08:47,879 on quite often well of course it's again 191 00:08:52,780 --> 00:08:49,920 I'm flattered that you run the skeptic 192 00:08:54,889 --> 00:08:52,790 zone on your system that you also enjoy 193 00:08:58,160 --> 00:08:54,899 our colleagues of course they're 194 00:09:00,379 --> 00:08:58,170 skeptical podcasts yeah the SGU SGU I 195 00:09:01,730 --> 00:09:00,389 listen to I listen to the conspiracy 196 00:09:04,670 --> 00:09:01,740 skeptic 197 00:09:06,380 --> 00:09:04,680 with Carl mamer and listen to Suffolk 198 00:09:09,320 --> 00:09:06,390 seveal because I speak Hebrew fluently 199 00:09:12,440 --> 00:09:09,330 yes so I actually found that that 200 00:09:15,380 --> 00:09:12,450 podcast through you guys originally 201 00:09:18,230 --> 00:09:15,390 because we ran a little a little blood 202 00:09:20,600 --> 00:09:18,240 for yes last year yes this is yawn and 203 00:09:22,850 --> 00:09:20,610 laura from sapphic severe The Skeptical 204 00:09:25,040 --> 00:09:22,860 podcast for he boosts pickles come 205 00:09:31,340 --> 00:09:25,050 listen to all things unholy in the holy 206 00:09:34,850 --> 00:09:31,350 language at WWF xeo dl is muhammad asif 207 00:09:40,190 --> 00:09:34,860 in australia and there's a lot i 208 00:09:42,770 --> 00:09:40,200 listened to point of inquiry and does 209 00:09:44,450 --> 00:09:42,780 rochelle also as well almost as racially 210 00:09:46,340 --> 00:09:44,460 yes that's a great podcast a radio show 211 00:09:48,590 --> 00:09:46,350 in a pod yes yes so it's a lot of fun a 212 00:09:52,610 --> 00:09:48,600 lot of information crammed into a year 213 00:09:56,030 --> 00:09:52,620 and a half and it's it's great fun and 214 00:09:57,980 --> 00:09:56,040 it's very very educational well we try 215 00:10:00,770 --> 00:09:57,990 yeah and i'm sure i can speak for my 216 00:10:02,390 --> 00:10:00,780 colleagues in the skeptical podcasting 217 00:10:04,150 --> 00:10:02,400 world we certainly tried to make it 218 00:10:07,220 --> 00:10:04,160 interesting and entertaining and 219 00:10:09,020 --> 00:10:07,230 educational absolutely it is the package 220 00:10:10,250 --> 00:10:09,030 it's definitely the package some people 221 00:10:12,650 --> 00:10:10,260 are funnier than others some people who 222 00:10:15,680 --> 00:10:12,660 are serious some people i mean there's 223 00:10:18,620 --> 00:10:15,690 an there's a great selection and I 224 00:10:20,810 --> 00:10:18,630 enjoyed very very much it's fun I must 225 00:10:22,790 --> 00:10:20,820 say it's on when the skeptic zone team 226 00:10:25,910 --> 00:10:22,800 get together and we're recording a lot a 227 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:25,920 session called the think tank yes it's 228 00:10:31,520 --> 00:10:28,890 always after a big dinner okay and so 229 00:10:33,410 --> 00:10:31,530 much and hear that listens in on secrets 230 00:10:35,210 --> 00:10:33,420 here I have to edit out so many things 231 00:10:36,950 --> 00:10:35,220 will be talking about something very 232 00:10:38,750 --> 00:10:36,960 seriously then someone pulls the place 233 00:10:39,879 --> 00:10:38,760 or someone tipped something over and 234 00:10:42,340 --> 00:10:39,889 it's 235 00:10:45,129 --> 00:10:42,350 forget about it we all lose the plot and 236 00:10:48,519 --> 00:10:45,139 then but you'd never know no because you 237 00:10:49,689 --> 00:10:48,529 know you can't see it so it's just what 238 00:10:53,169 --> 00:10:49,699 you hear there's also you have the hot 239 00:10:56,109 --> 00:10:53,179 tub sessions Oh with brian dunning the 240 00:10:57,460 --> 00:10:56,119 hot tub of truth I don't remember the 241 00:11:00,429 --> 00:10:57,470 title I just remember there was a hot 242 00:11:02,769 --> 00:11:00,439 tub involve some spirits and not the 243 00:11:04,509 --> 00:11:02,779 ghostly kind that's right and it was 244 00:11:06,069 --> 00:11:04,519 interesting oh and brian dunning also 245 00:11:08,889 --> 00:11:06,079 because of Ryan Dunning I actually got 246 00:11:13,049 --> 00:11:08,899 into the entire skeptics movement when I 247 00:11:16,889 --> 00:11:13,059 mistakenly in my conspiracy theory days 248 00:11:19,599 --> 00:11:16,899 when I downloaded and there be dragons 249 00:11:22,359 --> 00:11:19,609 thinking it was a conspiracy film Wow 250 00:11:24,129 --> 00:11:22,369 and after about five minutes I said well 251 00:11:29,139 --> 00:11:24,139 this isn't a lot of conspiracy phone 252 00:11:30,639 --> 00:11:29,149 this is a skeptical documentary yes and 253 00:11:33,479 --> 00:11:30,649 I was in Japan I remember it very well 254 00:11:36,970 --> 00:11:33,489 and that's how it all started I will 255 00:11:39,819 --> 00:11:36,980 step to eight after script okami yes in 256 00:11:42,939 --> 00:11:39,829 fact because of the nature of podcast 257 00:11:44,379 --> 00:11:42,949 and recording wished I will probably be 258 00:11:46,299 --> 00:11:44,389 talking that Brian Dunning when this 259 00:11:49,239 --> 00:11:46,309 show goes out indeed so I'm sure he'll 260 00:11:51,460 --> 00:11:49,249 be delighted to hear because i am i've 261 00:11:54,429 --> 00:11:51,470 been following the sceptile for a while 262 00:11:55,929 --> 00:11:54,439 and i was i really enjoyed their bhitra 263 00:11:59,169 --> 00:11:55,939 here be dragons here we drive here be 264 00:12:01,539 --> 00:11:59,179 dragged us yes yes and in fact i watched 265 00:12:04,600 --> 00:12:01,549 it originally no a day a couple years 266 00:12:05,919 --> 00:12:04,610 ago when it came out and a month or so 267 00:12:08,019 --> 00:12:05,929 ago I thought I'd better watch it again 268 00:12:11,619 --> 00:12:08,029 yeah it's very interesting and it 269 00:12:13,749 --> 00:12:11,629 shifted me it gave me a real shift from 270 00:12:16,509 --> 00:12:13,759 being I wasn't a heavy conspiracy 271 00:12:18,549 --> 00:12:16,519 theorist what I did was I listen to a 272 00:12:21,970 --> 00:12:18,559 lot of information some things were far 273 00:12:25,680 --> 00:12:21,980 too bizarre and unreasonable some things 274 00:12:29,060 --> 00:12:25,690 were possible plausible and 275 00:12:32,850 --> 00:12:29,070 that podcast that documentary really 276 00:12:34,980 --> 00:12:32,860 made me you know leave the dark side I 277 00:12:37,440 --> 00:12:34,990 have to say yeah it's it's it's really 278 00:12:39,150 --> 00:12:37,450 well done i mean the bad thing about it 279 00:12:41,790 --> 00:12:39,160 is you have to look at Brian Dunning for 280 00:12:44,040 --> 00:12:41,800 40 minutes and I know coming where it's 281 00:12:45,870 --> 00:12:44,050 a lot could be worse I suppose now what 282 00:12:47,700 --> 00:12:45,880 do you think of this our wonderful 283 00:12:49,860 --> 00:12:47,710 committee for skeptical inquiry 284 00:12:52,500 --> 00:12:49,870 convention we have at the moment I think 285 00:12:54,570 --> 00:12:52,510 the convention is a lot fun it's very 286 00:12:56,670 --> 00:12:54,580 well organized packed isn't it yeah a 287 00:12:58,230 --> 00:12:56,680 lot of people having a very good time 288 00:13:00,390 --> 00:12:58,240 meeting all sorts of people from all 289 00:13:03,360 --> 00:13:00,400 over yeah yeah yeah and a lot of great 290 00:13:05,700 --> 00:13:03,370 information good food wonderful hotel 291 00:13:08,160 --> 00:13:05,710 and it's really a lot of fun and I'm 292 00:13:11,040 --> 00:13:08,170 very very happy that I signed up in 293 00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:11,050 August and plan to come here because I'm 294 00:13:15,930 --> 00:13:12,810 having a wonderful time well the the 295 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:15,940 word i'm getting is that they certainly 296 00:13:19,800 --> 00:13:18,250 want to do it again and if they do do it 297 00:13:21,840 --> 00:13:19,810 again they certainly were looking to 298 00:13:24,060 --> 00:13:21,850 have it back in New Orleans which would 299 00:13:26,280 --> 00:13:24,070 be very happy yes I haven't had as much 300 00:13:28,500 --> 00:13:26,290 time simply because there's been such a 301 00:13:31,380 --> 00:13:28,510 pact convention to get out and wander 302 00:13:33,030 --> 00:13:31,390 around which in the new city I'd like to 303 00:13:36,090 --> 00:13:33,040 do I might I might see if I can do that 304 00:13:39,150 --> 00:13:36,100 a bit later on but yeah the hotels fine 305 00:13:40,650 --> 00:13:39,160 yeah very nice but of course what you 306 00:13:43,200 --> 00:13:40,660 don't come here for the hotel you come 307 00:13:44,760 --> 00:13:43,210 here for the quality of the convention 308 00:13:47,010 --> 00:13:44,770 and so far all the talks have been 309 00:13:50,940 --> 00:13:47,020 really good the talks have been flying 310 00:13:53,760 --> 00:13:50,950 by sitting around for an hour two hours 311 00:13:55,920 --> 00:13:53,770 all sorts of great speakers the banquets 312 00:13:58,260 --> 00:13:55,930 are wonderful their speakers at the 313 00:14:01,020 --> 00:13:58,270 banquets at the lunch is so much 314 00:14:03,600 --> 00:14:01,030 information open to questions which is 315 00:14:05,130 --> 00:14:03,610 something that I love to do yes and I've 316 00:14:07,140 --> 00:14:05,140 been seeing you ask questions yes 317 00:14:09,180 --> 00:14:07,150 definitely I'm a question ask her you 318 00:14:11,520 --> 00:14:09,190 were the lunch with pull off it yes I 319 00:14:13,380 --> 00:14:11,530 was up there asking questions yeah I saw 320 00:14:15,290 --> 00:14:13,390 his I saw him to speak I sought 321 00:14:17,940 --> 00:14:15,300 interview of his a few weeks back and 322 00:14:20,790 --> 00:14:17,950 very interesting subject matter the anti 323 00:14:23,400 --> 00:14:20,800 the anti-vaccine and very interesting 324 00:14:25,050 --> 00:14:23,410 Steve novella as well and Bill Nye is 325 00:14:26,370 --> 00:14:25,060 coming up today later on which I'm 326 00:14:27,900 --> 00:14:26,380 really looking forward to because he's a 327 00:14:30,270 --> 00:14:27,910 big hero of mine even though I was a big 328 00:14:32,160 --> 00:14:30,280 girl already I was an older teenager I 329 00:14:33,840 --> 00:14:32,170 still loved his program yes he's been 330 00:14:35,520 --> 00:14:33,850 very visible here the last few days 331 00:14:35,860 --> 00:14:35,530 everyone's had the chance to meet Bill 332 00:14:38,620 --> 00:14:35,870 Nye 333 00:14:40,480 --> 00:14:38,630 yes and I know for a lot of people you 334 00:14:42,490 --> 00:14:40,490 know he's not very well known in 335 00:14:46,210 --> 00:14:42,500 Australia that's right we just didn't 336 00:14:47,410 --> 00:14:46,220 have his TV show but I know for most of 337 00:14:49,630 --> 00:14:47,420 the people coming to this convention 338 00:14:54,610 --> 00:14:49,640 Bill Nye is certainly a wonderful 339 00:14:56,769 --> 00:14:54,620 character to me room there's some people 340 00:14:58,960 --> 00:14:56,779 some old friends or poor others to go 341 00:15:00,610 --> 00:14:58,970 Steve novella yes that's right there mr. 342 00:15:03,730 --> 00:15:00,620 novella right there running away from 343 00:15:06,070 --> 00:15:03,740 his Rebecca Watson's just on the table 344 00:15:07,870 --> 00:15:06,080 down get back yeah young and Chen is 345 00:15:10,329 --> 00:15:07,880 right there eating ice cream from is 346 00:15:13,060 --> 00:15:10,339 enjoying it from a survival of course 347 00:15:15,070 --> 00:15:13,070 that the show he was on and just across 348 00:15:18,430 --> 00:15:15,080 the way looking directly almost directly 349 00:15:21,130 --> 00:15:18,440 at us is the smoking man from X Files 350 00:15:23,910 --> 00:15:21,140 and I think I know a little secret about 351 00:15:26,710 --> 00:15:23,920 the smoking man oh he doesn't say that 352 00:15:28,150 --> 00:15:26,720 but I would like to photograph have 353 00:15:30,370 --> 00:15:28,160 photograph with him with a cigarette 354 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:30,380 dangling out of my mouth unlit of course 355 00:15:35,260 --> 00:15:31,610 because we're indoors I think that would 356 00:15:39,310 --> 00:15:35,270 be a very very picture making part of a 357 00:15:40,390 --> 00:15:39,320 lot I don't know but that is it because 358 00:15:43,420 --> 00:15:40,400 we're in the wording sort of the 359 00:15:45,880 --> 00:15:43,430 breakout room the book room the Bookroom 360 00:15:48,070 --> 00:15:45,890 break room yeah break book room so 361 00:15:51,550 --> 00:15:48,080 there's people milling around lots of 362 00:15:54,160 --> 00:15:51,560 books yes good somewhat yes I there was 363 00:15:58,019 --> 00:15:54,170 a talk yesterday by Steven Matz Nick and 364 00:16:00,400 --> 00:15:58,029 susana Martinez conduct about their 365 00:16:02,500 --> 00:16:00,410 collaboration slights of mind and how 366 00:16:04,570 --> 00:16:02,510 neuroscience repeat what was your glee 367 00:16:06,220 --> 00:16:04,580 oh you wonderful i'm really looking 368 00:16:09,660 --> 00:16:06,230 forward to reading this one and of cool 369 00:16:12,510 --> 00:16:09,670 of course Simon Singh and Ed's art first 370 00:16:14,890 --> 00:16:12,520 the German 371 00:16:17,350 --> 00:16:14,900 researcher yes they did a wonderful 372 00:16:20,560 --> 00:16:17,360 collaboration from what I heard it's 373 00:16:22,630 --> 00:16:20,570 called trick or treatment and it's all 374 00:16:25,300 --> 00:16:22,640 about medicine and I'm really looking 375 00:16:27,550 --> 00:16:25,310 forward to reading it and we speak of 376 00:16:29,350 --> 00:16:27,560 the devil and your honor yes hello Steve 377 00:16:31,300 --> 00:16:29,360 novella hey how are you doing guys look 378 00:16:33,100 --> 00:16:31,310 at we're doing but grab a chair and it 379 00:16:36,070 --> 00:16:33,110 mean you intruder just oh absolutely no 380 00:16:38,290 --> 00:16:36,080 we're happy to to see you we were just I 381 00:16:40,840 --> 00:16:38,300 don't know if he made a mirror yes you 382 00:16:43,720 --> 00:16:40,850 have met yet she's a big fan of SGU of 383 00:16:45,640 --> 00:16:43,730 course and she even listens to me to my 384 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:45,650 podcast but let me get your impression 385 00:16:50,950 --> 00:16:49,130 steve i'm absolutely enjoying this 386 00:16:52,120 --> 00:16:50,960 convention so far what's your take oh 387 00:16:54,070 --> 00:16:52,130 how could you not love it it's a 388 00:16:56,200 --> 00:16:54,080 skeptical conference it's really all of 389 00:16:58,060 --> 00:16:56,210 our friends are here is it's a great 390 00:17:01,090 --> 00:16:58,070 lineup has been the talks of all been 391 00:17:03,160 --> 00:17:01,100 interesting so far so yeah I agree and 392 00:17:07,660 --> 00:17:03,170 they're keeping us busy oh yeah yeah 393 00:17:09,580 --> 00:17:07,670 it's a definitely non-stop they've been 394 00:17:12,070 --> 00:17:09,590 done a good job of packing in the 395 00:17:13,210 --> 00:17:12,080 lectures and the panels they do 396 00:17:14,980 --> 00:17:13,220 something that a lot of conferences 397 00:17:16,270 --> 00:17:14,990 don't do they have occasional breakout 398 00:17:18,730 --> 00:17:16,280 to where you have to choose between one 399 00:17:20,199 --> 00:17:18,740 again yes it can be tough actually it 400 00:17:21,760 --> 00:17:20,209 could be tough I mean it's always have 401 00:17:23,440 --> 00:17:21,770 mixed feelings about that so it's a way 402 00:17:24,940 --> 00:17:23,450 of getting more choices in there and 403 00:17:26,830 --> 00:17:24,950 more different kinds of content but then 404 00:17:28,510 --> 00:17:26,840 there's inevitably two things at the 405 00:17:30,070 --> 00:17:28,520 same time you announces yeah that's 406 00:17:32,680 --> 00:17:30,080 happened to me already and well I just 407 00:17:35,020 --> 00:17:32,690 had to choose one but that that's that's 408 00:17:39,340 --> 00:17:35,030 cool I mean they it's for over four days 409 00:17:41,680 --> 00:17:39,350 yes yeah it's amazing how many talks are 410 00:17:45,009 --> 00:17:41,690 actually packing into those four days 411 00:17:48,879 --> 00:17:45,019 yeah yeah yeahs the CSI has always had a 412 00:17:50,919 --> 00:17:48,889 great network of of skeptics and helps a 413 00:17:52,749 --> 00:17:50,929 lot of fellows yeah and they have 414 00:17:55,230 --> 00:17:52,759 they've never had a problem packing a 415 00:17:57,940 --> 00:17:55,240 conference with just tremendous speakers 416 00:17:59,820 --> 00:17:57,950 and congratulations to you by the way on 417 00:18:03,190 --> 00:17:59,830 your award last night thank you we had a 418 00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:03,200 big dinner and you and Bill Nye both 419 00:18:06,639 --> 00:18:05,210 were given an award yes she was a little 420 00:18:08,769 --> 00:18:06,649 very humbling to be on the stage with 421 00:18:12,730 --> 00:18:08,779 Bill Nye and working with at the same 422 00:18:14,529 --> 00:18:12,740 time as heated but but yo Zeus I was 423 00:18:16,419 --> 00:18:14,539 very very happy to receive that 424 00:18:17,860 --> 00:18:16,429 obviously Barry car told me about a 425 00:18:20,529 --> 00:18:17,870 month ago so it wasn't a surprise that 426 00:18:23,049 --> 00:18:20,539 ryan of course and that this is the 427 00:18:25,600 --> 00:18:23,059 first time they actually presented the 428 00:18:27,820 --> 00:18:25,610 award at a conference well I haven't had 429 00:18:31,299 --> 00:18:27,830 a conference I know our eight years or 430 00:18:32,680 --> 00:18:31,309 something yeah so I'm glad they're 431 00:18:35,440 --> 00:18:32,690 getting back into the conference game 432 00:18:37,360 --> 00:18:35,450 you two actually and I'm glad they chose 433 00:18:39,129 --> 00:18:37,370 New Orleans because I've never been here 434 00:18:42,100 --> 00:18:39,139 before I've been here a couple of times 435 00:18:46,720 --> 00:18:42,110 it's but not since this is my first time 436 00:18:48,700 --> 00:18:46,730 post-katrina runs really looks the same 437 00:18:50,529 --> 00:18:48,710 as far as I could say but I haven't been 438 00:18:52,930 --> 00:18:50,539 to the apparently there are some parts 439 00:18:55,149 --> 00:18:52,940 of the town that haven't recovered yeah 440 00:18:56,499 --> 00:18:55,159 but I have pretty much stuck to the 441 00:18:58,090 --> 00:18:56,509 French Quarter I don't think we're going 442 00:19:00,460 --> 00:18:58,100 to get the opportunity to do it at or 443 00:19:05,200 --> 00:19:00,470 like that yeah but that but that's okay 444 00:19:07,360 --> 00:19:05,210 now anymore hairbrained schemes like 24 445 00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:07,370 hour podcast because we're still 446 00:19:13,029 --> 00:19:10,970 recovering from that did you know about 447 00:19:16,330 --> 00:19:13,039 that yes absolutely was a it was 448 00:19:19,960 --> 00:19:16,340 well-publicized and yeah there was up 449 00:19:21,820 --> 00:19:19,970 there were people tuning in live and 450 00:19:24,070 --> 00:19:21,830 there were some recorded bits floating 451 00:19:26,169 --> 00:19:24,080 around and yeah it was very popular in 452 00:19:28,330 --> 00:19:26,179 the in the community that's for sure and 453 00:19:30,399 --> 00:19:28,340 I think you did have a few hiccups 454 00:19:32,879 --> 00:19:30,409 technical hiccups put everyone on this 455 00:19:35,889 --> 00:19:32,889 too yeah there were technical glitches 456 00:19:37,520 --> 00:19:35,899 it was much more technically complicated 457 00:19:41,090 --> 00:19:37,530 than we imagined 458 00:19:42,650 --> 00:19:41,100 and I was just happy we survived it you 459 00:19:45,230 --> 00:19:42,660 know we had the one down period at the 460 00:19:47,600 --> 00:19:45,240 beginning whenever we didn't know if we 461 00:19:50,240 --> 00:19:47,610 were gonna get back up and we would have 462 00:19:51,980 --> 00:19:50,250 been a disaster if we didn't but and 463 00:19:53,330 --> 00:19:51,990 that was the biggest problem was the one 464 00:19:55,220 --> 00:19:53,340 thing I was out of our control and that 465 00:19:57,110 --> 00:19:55,230 was just access to the internet we lost 466 00:19:59,300 --> 00:19:57,120 it we didn't know why still don't know 467 00:20:01,120 --> 00:19:59,310 why you know we just kept doing stuff 468 00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:01,130 until they came came back you know 469 00:20:06,470 --> 00:20:03,770 luckily to be we got it back pretty soon 470 00:20:09,950 --> 00:20:06,480 but we are planning on doing more live 471 00:20:12,890 --> 00:20:09,960 shows probably not a 24-hour show 472 00:20:14,360 --> 00:20:12,900 anytime soon probably be like 48 two to 473 00:20:16,220 --> 00:20:14,370 three-hour like it just like a regular 474 00:20:18,710 --> 00:20:16,230 was like a regular show regular weekly 475 00:20:21,530 --> 00:20:18,720 show right but just live yeah just with 476 00:20:23,270 --> 00:20:21,540 video and to streaming you know I mean 477 00:20:25,850 --> 00:20:23,280 we ninety percent of the work honestly 478 00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:25,860 was building this set I'm not well I was 479 00:20:30,020 --> 00:20:27,690 in Harris it was like the scholarship 480 00:20:32,360 --> 00:20:30,030 and the project sitting there so we 481 00:20:34,430 --> 00:20:32,370 can't not use it i mean it's you gotta 482 00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:34,440 get back on that set at some point yeah 483 00:20:39,370 --> 00:20:37,050 gonna mention off all those big screen 484 00:20:44,120 --> 00:20:39,380 tvs and all those monitors and are 485 00:20:46,760 --> 00:20:44,130 mostly our computer monitors that we you 486 00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:46,770 know just connected to the panel this is 487 00:20:51,080 --> 00:20:48,690 somebody's basement or something yes yes 488 00:20:53,570 --> 00:20:51,090 yeah all right somebody somebody yes it 489 00:20:55,700 --> 00:20:53,580 could might be we just to do is the 490 00:20:59,870 --> 00:20:55,710 biggest driest basement we had access to 491 00:21:02,750 --> 00:20:59,880 ya so if you do another live show two or 492 00:21:05,510 --> 00:21:02,760 three hours just have a careful look at 493 00:21:07,970 --> 00:21:05,520 the globe and make it for about oh six 494 00:21:09,620 --> 00:21:07,980 p.m. sydney time the Huey's that would 495 00:21:12,050 --> 00:21:09,630 be that would suit me very well yeah 496 00:21:15,410 --> 00:21:12,060 what would that be in connecticut time 497 00:21:18,290 --> 00:21:15,420 who cares we'll just have a sydney time 498 00:21:20,930 --> 00:21:18,300 clock on the panel and well yeah 499 00:21:22,790 --> 00:21:20,940 obviously we we love talking with you 500 00:21:25,010 --> 00:21:22,800 guys during that's what part of it was 501 00:21:26,300 --> 00:21:25,020 fun about the 24 hour show is that at 502 00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:26,310 different 2 he was like three in the 503 00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:27,810 morning or four in the morning to us but 504 00:21:31,550 --> 00:21:28,890 it would be middle of the day for you 505 00:21:34,820 --> 00:21:31,560 guys so yeah yeah i mean when we started 506 00:21:37,340 --> 00:21:34,830 our segment dr. Rachel Joanne and myself 507 00:21:40,100 --> 00:21:37,350 us you weren't there and you sort of 508 00:21:43,070 --> 00:21:40,110 appeared a little bit late nights in the 509 00:21:45,680 --> 00:21:43,080 middle of my scheduled nap it is which 510 00:21:47,950 --> 00:21:45,690 we I schedule it so that I wouldn't miss 511 00:21:50,740 --> 00:21:47,960 anyone's complete interview 512 00:21:53,050 --> 00:21:50,750 so yeah so I sort of rejoined the pack 513 00:21:55,300 --> 00:21:53,060 halfway through you guys yeah that was 514 00:21:57,010 --> 00:21:55,310 good fun now we really enjoyed it we 515 00:21:58,690 --> 00:21:57,020 were okay and rock the Rachel's front 516 00:22:00,580 --> 00:21:58,700 room with the aircraft going by and it 517 00:22:03,550 --> 00:22:00,590 was it was it was a big kick it was a 518 00:22:05,410 --> 00:22:03,560 big kick oh it was we didn't we we 519 00:22:09,010 --> 00:22:05,420 survived because of all the interviews I 520 00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:09,020 mean and yeah yeah it was easy to Jimmy 521 00:22:13,210 --> 00:22:11,690 the one thing that like most people when 522 00:22:15,370 --> 00:22:13,220 you say are we gonna do a 24-hour 523 00:22:18,370 --> 00:22:15,380 continuous show the first reaction 524 00:22:19,930 --> 00:22:18,380 everyone had was how you gonna fill 23 525 00:22:22,060 --> 00:22:19,940 hours of content yeah and it turned out 526 00:22:24,790 --> 00:22:22,070 that was the easiest part of the whole 527 00:22:26,860 --> 00:22:24,800 thing it was no problem at all to fill 528 00:22:28,540 --> 00:22:26,870 24 hours by the time we went through all 529 00:22:31,300 --> 00:22:28,550 the interviews and we had some bits and 530 00:22:32,470 --> 00:22:31,310 a few science or fictions and we didn't 531 00:22:35,350 --> 00:22:32,480 even get a third of the way through the 532 00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:35,360 news items we had crab Wow it was easy 533 00:22:39,610 --> 00:22:37,850 to fill the time it was George Rob came 534 00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:39,620 in and joined you for a while oh he was 535 00:22:43,090 --> 00:22:41,450 awesome yeah I showed up in the morning 536 00:22:47,020 --> 00:22:43,100 when just when we needed that extra jolt 537 00:22:49,330 --> 00:22:47,030 today he came in full of energy and we 538 00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:49,340 did a drum circle kind of thing at 539 00:22:55,270 --> 00:22:51,050 fright at first was a good wake up kind 540 00:22:58,300 --> 00:22:55,280 of activity he said he's always a 541 00:23:00,430 --> 00:22:58,310 pleasure I mean just a mellow absolutely 542 00:23:02,740 --> 00:23:00,440 yeah very funny guy great stage presence 543 00:23:04,540 --> 00:23:02,750 just a good interaction good vibe and 544 00:23:06,010 --> 00:23:04,550 it's great when I arrived here and I'm 545 00:23:07,450 --> 00:23:06,020 looking around and then all that stage 546 00:23:09,010 --> 00:23:07,460 pinarello there's Phil Plait I'm 547 00:23:10,270 --> 00:23:09,020 thinking somebody's me somebody's 548 00:23:13,170 --> 00:23:10,280 missing somebody's missing here is 549 00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:13,180 George yeah that's right here yeah Oh 550 00:23:20,470 --> 00:23:15,890 boys next to you right yeah well yeah I 551 00:23:22,090 --> 00:23:20,480 hope as CSI grows will you know get more 552 00:23:25,360 --> 00:23:22,100 and more of the usual crew here you know 553 00:23:27,460 --> 00:23:25,370 this the people like George who are have 554 00:23:28,360 --> 00:23:27,470 become a staple of skeptical conferences 555 00:23:30,370 --> 00:23:28,370 you know 556 00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:30,380 well I can only see a bright future for 557 00:23:34,750 --> 00:23:33,050 this particular conference convention 558 00:23:36,610 --> 00:23:34,760 because the first one's been so damn 559 00:23:38,950 --> 00:23:36,620 good yeah I can you know I can recommend 560 00:23:40,660 --> 00:23:38,960 it now it's not even over in fact i'll 561 00:23:44,380 --> 00:23:40,670 recommend it before i talk just in case 562 00:23:46,120 --> 00:23:44,390 I stink yeah I talked to Barry I mean I 563 00:23:47,770 --> 00:23:46,130 think he's there definitely planning on 564 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:47,780 doing more making this an annual thing 565 00:23:54,310 --> 00:23:52,010 being in New Orleans you know the wants 566 00:23:56,830 --> 00:23:54,320 to keep it on the halloween weekend 567 00:23:58,750 --> 00:23:56,840 which I think it's a good time to be in 568 00:24:00,910 --> 00:23:58,760 New Orleans I think if Halloween 569 00:24:02,620 --> 00:24:00,920 actually falls on the weekend that could 570 00:24:05,140 --> 00:24:02,630 be a little tough for everyone parents 571 00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:05,150 and kids but there's never a perfect 572 00:24:10,210 --> 00:24:08,210 time you Zoe's know and they'll always 573 00:24:12,700 --> 00:24:10,220 be times where people can't make it yeah 574 00:24:15,370 --> 00:24:12,710 just the nature of it well yeah right 575 00:24:16,690 --> 00:24:15,380 now yeah I've been you know we sort of 576 00:24:19,530 --> 00:24:16,700 have been shuffling our conferences 577 00:24:23,110 --> 00:24:19,540 around to try to avoid conflict say yes 578 00:24:24,220 --> 00:24:23,120 but it started it's a good problem to 579 00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:24,230 have and that we're getting a little 580 00:24:27,610 --> 00:24:25,970 crowded now you know there's yes sure 581 00:24:29,350 --> 00:24:27,620 there's so many conferences that we 582 00:24:33,430 --> 00:24:29,360 actually have to give each other elbow 583 00:24:36,130 --> 00:24:33,440 room in what I think I did to one of the 584 00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:36,140 successful aspects of skeptical 585 00:24:41,020 --> 00:24:37,610 remaining ten years ago you couldn't 586 00:24:43,150 --> 00:24:41,030 have four major conferences in a year 587 00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:43,160 I'll be crazy yeah it was actually 588 00:24:48,490 --> 00:24:46,610 that's a different world now yeah yeah 589 00:24:50,770 --> 00:24:48,500 we're looking for what else can we do 590 00:24:52,540 --> 00:24:50,780 you know if this is this is great but 591 00:24:54,460 --> 00:24:52,550 we're just looking to grow people let's 592 00:24:56,169 --> 00:24:54,470 do that let's end it thanks for chatting 593 00:24:57,400 --> 00:24:56,179 to a state thanks for letting me sit 594 00:24:59,950 --> 00:24:57,410 down with you for a few minutes not a 595 00:25:02,020 --> 00:24:59,960 problem and I must say thanks to a muta 596 00:25:04,270 --> 00:25:02,030 for having a chat with us and very happy 597 00:25:07,750 --> 00:25:04,280 to do so and if I join again I wanted to 598 00:25:10,120 --> 00:25:07,760 do a shout out to a local Canadian 599 00:25:11,860 --> 00:25:10,130 podcast called the reality check from 600 00:25:13,370 --> 00:25:11,870 the Ottawa skeptic reality check and 601 00:25:15,770 --> 00:25:13,380 they're great guys 602 00:25:17,900 --> 00:25:15,780 and really smart and I listened to them 603 00:25:20,930 --> 00:25:17,910 a lot on the boat so just hide all those 604 00:25:22,550 --> 00:25:20,940 guys and thanks and thanks to you and 605 00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:22,560 thanks to everyone here I had a great 606 00:25:27,410 --> 00:25:24,930 time so far a little bit a little bit of 607 00:25:29,990 --> 00:25:27,420 time left Dana haps up and you know what 608 00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:30,000 I think we've got just about enough time 609 00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:31,770 before the next session to grab some ice 610 00:25:43,310 --> 00:25:34,050 cream and a homemade cone let's do it 611 00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:43,320 that's hi this is surly Amy from skeptic 612 00:25:48,860 --> 00:25:46,410 org I make ceramic jewelry it's hand 613 00:25:51,410 --> 00:25:48,870 formed and hand-painted it's inspired by 614 00:25:55,580 --> 00:25:51,420 science and skepticism you can find it 615 00:26:03,920 --> 00:25:55,590 at surly romics com s you are ly are am 616 00:26:05,510 --> 00:26:03,930 ICS com thanks and be skeptical I hope 617 00:26:07,100 --> 00:26:05,520 you're enjoying the skeptic zone a 618 00:26:10,540 --> 00:26:07,110 little break now and with Brian Dunning 619 00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:10,550 at a place called bad water Death Valley 620 00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:13,650 where below substantially below sea 621 00:26:20,210 --> 00:26:16,850 level because I'm the hill a mountain um 622 00:26:23,510 --> 00:26:20,220 way near the car park there's a sign 623 00:26:28,390 --> 00:26:23,520 that says sea level which is quite above 624 00:26:32,030 --> 00:26:28,400 our heads and what a giant salt I plane 625 00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:32,040 yes we are thank you wondering if you're 626 00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:35,970 going to say anything it's a boy I sure 627 00:26:38,780 --> 00:26:37,170 would like to have a copy of google 628 00:26:41,360 --> 00:26:38,790 earth right now and see exactly what the 629 00:26:44,690 --> 00:26:41,370 dimensions of this are but we've walked 630 00:26:46,970 --> 00:26:44,700 out sort of the there's a flattened area 631 00:26:48,740 --> 00:26:46,980 where people normally walk straight out 632 00:26:52,610 --> 00:26:48,750 into it and we've come about about to 633 00:26:54,950 --> 00:26:52,620 the end of that where it Peters out do 634 00:26:56,540 --> 00:26:54,960 you do take pictures and post them along 635 00:26:59,180 --> 00:26:56,550 with the episode notes or something like 636 00:27:01,340 --> 00:26:59,190 that well my listeners will probably 637 00:27:03,260 --> 00:27:01,350 have seen this the panorama I'm just 638 00:27:06,170 --> 00:27:03,270 about to take our I Twitter and Facebook 639 00:27:07,700 --> 00:27:06,180 and Twitter tweet we never the big 640 00:27:10,730 --> 00:27:07,710 question of course is how far across 641 00:27:13,070 --> 00:27:10,740 this can you walk we can estimate where 642 00:27:15,500 --> 00:27:13,080 we're in Death Valley it's it's a salt 643 00:27:18,370 --> 00:27:15,510 plane as far as I can see there are huge 644 00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:18,380 mountains on either side it's the scale 645 00:27:24,070 --> 00:27:21,450 you know what really big it's big it it 646 00:27:27,170 --> 00:27:24,080 just reminds you that on these scales 647 00:27:29,660 --> 00:27:27,180 your sense of scale can 648 00:27:31,220 --> 00:27:29,670 pletely fails you we cannot estimate how 649 00:27:33,970 --> 00:27:31,230 far it is to the other side of the 650 00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:33,980 valley or how far it is up the valley 651 00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:36,690 even looking back towards the car park I 652 00:27:41,990 --> 00:27:38,490 mean that we can see all the car so 653 00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:42,000 clearly but they're there they're tiny 654 00:27:46,340 --> 00:27:43,890 ass behind award your word I'm looking 655 00:27:48,410 --> 00:27:46,350 for but it's dramatic yeah it really is 656 00:27:50,120 --> 00:27:48,420 traumatic looking straight across part 657 00:27:52,820 --> 00:27:50,130 of the reason you can't it's hard to 658 00:27:55,790 --> 00:27:52,830 judge distances is because the horizon 659 00:27:57,710 --> 00:27:55,800 is a mirage yeah in every direction yeah 660 00:28:02,360 --> 00:27:57,720 yeah going all the way across I know 661 00:28:03,950 --> 00:28:02,370 it's at least 10 or 15 miles just based 662 00:28:06,380 --> 00:28:03,960 on having spent time here and driven 663 00:28:08,870 --> 00:28:06,390 around on the other side there's a 664 00:28:10,370 --> 00:28:08,880 there's the highway of course is the co 665 00:28:12,140 --> 00:28:10,380 main road is the one that we drove here 666 00:28:14,810 --> 00:28:12,150 on yeah and where everyone walks out 667 00:28:17,120 --> 00:28:14,820 from but across on the other side is a 668 00:28:18,470 --> 00:28:17,130 dirt road that's much less traveled that 669 00:28:21,140 --> 00:28:18,480 I've been up and down a number of times 670 00:28:22,940 --> 00:28:21,150 and I know the edge of the salt plane 671 00:28:26,450 --> 00:28:22,950 doesn't go all the way to the other side 672 00:28:30,260 --> 00:28:26,460 there's just more simple dirt and flat 673 00:28:33,860 --> 00:28:30,270 and mud flats past the salt plane so 674 00:28:36,620 --> 00:28:33,870 even what we can see is not the not not 675 00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:36,630 the extent of the valley floor well if 676 00:28:44,690 --> 00:28:40,890 listeners care to doing a google search 677 00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:44,700 for bad water Death Valley and maybe go 678 00:28:48,650 --> 00:28:46,170 to google maps you'll see where we are 679 00:28:50,750 --> 00:28:48,660 worried about what would you say half a 680 00:28:54,730 --> 00:28:50,760 mile from the car park a mile about it 681 00:28:58,670 --> 00:28:54,740 yeah half my and kilometer or so 682 00:29:02,390 --> 00:28:58,680 something like a magical glaze Bravo 683 00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:02,400 meter even that and if you've ever 684 00:29:06,500 --> 00:29:03,930 considered coming to Death Valley 685 00:29:17,919 --> 00:29:06,510 consider no longer it's put it on your 686 00:29:26,270 --> 00:29:22,840 here's my not spooky action at the 687 00:29:29,790 --> 00:29:28,470 look I'm I'm out in the courtyard once 688 00:29:31,860 --> 00:29:29,800 again where all the action is happening 689 00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:31,870 who we got here Christina Eldridge hello 690 00:29:36,950 --> 00:29:34,330 hello what do you been enjoyed today I 691 00:29:39,540 --> 00:29:36,960 enjoyed the blogging one who was a 692 00:29:41,100 --> 00:29:39,550 doctor Rachel all right now that what 693 00:29:42,690 --> 00:29:41,110 did you learn from that were you were 694 00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:42,700 you were doing your blogging attacks in 695 00:29:50,820 --> 00:29:46,330 a different way where you're not really 696 00:29:52,380 --> 00:29:50,830 but just to look at the success or how 697 00:29:55,140 --> 00:29:52,390 you can I solve attack that are false 698 00:29:57,060 --> 00:29:55,150 information on the internet and where 699 00:29:58,530 --> 00:29:57,070 you think of the opinion like Jason was 700 00:30:00,060 --> 00:29:58,540 talking in there earlier that like you 701 00:30:02,310 --> 00:30:00,070 know it really isn't worth your time 702 00:30:06,630 --> 00:30:02,320 debating creationists a native access 703 00:30:09,210 --> 00:30:06,640 online sometimes it may not be worth 704 00:30:10,530 --> 00:30:09,220 your time but can be fun at times so if 705 00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:10,540 you've got a spare hour or two before 706 00:30:14,340 --> 00:30:11,890 you go to bed you might take them on 707 00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:14,350 yeah absolutely actually if you've got a 708 00:30:17,490 --> 00:30:15,850 site that we can all go to forbid 709 00:30:21,540 --> 00:30:17,500 abating to enjoy that kind of thing is 710 00:30:23,310 --> 00:30:21,550 there a favorite anti-science site not 711 00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:23,320 really although I do occasionally um 712 00:30:30,390 --> 00:30:26,410 look at the Ken hams creation magazine 713 00:30:32,010 --> 00:30:30,400 that's fun and what and is that your 714 00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:32,020 favorite sort of woo to everyone's got 715 00:30:34,650 --> 00:30:33,490 their own who that gets up there go does 716 00:30:37,620 --> 00:30:34,660 that the one for you the creation of 717 00:30:40,260 --> 00:30:37,630 stuff I think so yeah cuz I'm studying 718 00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:40,270 evolutionary biology info masters well 719 00:30:43,860 --> 00:30:42,370 look this came up earlier I was bashed 720 00:30:45,450 --> 00:30:43,870 leading the perhaps aliens and missed 721 00:30:47,190 --> 00:30:45,460 with our DNA to cause the Cambrian 722 00:30:49,410 --> 00:30:47,200 explosion but actually what did pause it 723 00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:49,420 is there a simple explanation I don't 724 00:30:57,620 --> 00:30:53,890 think there is at the moment or in my 725 00:30:59,760 --> 00:30:57,630 mind it's more like you you reach them 726 00:31:01,350 --> 00:30:59,770 they reached a point where there was 727 00:31:04,350 --> 00:31:01,360 enough information to get this or that 728 00:31:05,550 --> 00:31:04,360 explosion but that sort of its I don't 729 00:31:09,300 --> 00:31:05,560 think there's enough information out 730 00:31:11,010 --> 00:31:09,310 there yet to really say so genetic 731 00:31:13,340 --> 00:31:11,020 manipulation by aliens isn't one of 732 00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:13,350 those ones they're considering is it 733 00:31:17,350 --> 00:31:15,090 some people will be considering it 734 00:31:19,310 --> 00:31:17,360 originally i think it must just be me 735 00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:19,320 and is there anything you're looking 736 00:31:23,930 --> 00:31:20,610 forward to for the rest of the day apart 737 00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:23,940 from the drinks down the pub I don't 738 00:31:28,700 --> 00:31:25,370 know the drinks I think of the best part 739 00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:28,710 and renee hora know how are you good how 740 00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:30,210 are you Oh fine I'll take a chance to 741 00:31:33,830 --> 00:31:32,250 sit down add the Renee's about any 742 00:31:35,180 --> 00:31:33,840 person sitting down that means you're 743 00:31:37,610 --> 00:31:35,190 not feeling intense and stamping around 744 00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:37,620 like a lot of skeptics here today no I'm 745 00:31:43,010 --> 00:31:39,330 not because it's my only day off of work 746 00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:43,020 so sitting down here with you ms s just 747 00:31:46,580 --> 00:31:44,970 chilling out yeah and actually what's 748 00:31:48,590 --> 00:31:46,590 been your favorite talk today the 749 00:31:50,930 --> 00:31:48,600 blogging one definitely okay what did 750 00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:50,940 you learn from dr. rach's experiences to 751 00:31:54,830 --> 00:31:53,130 you in turn onto internet more and like 752 00:31:57,169 --> 00:31:54,840 a bit more oh and who are the people you 753 00:31:58,580 --> 00:31:57,179 like to debate um depends on I'm feeling 754 00:32:00,140 --> 00:31:58,590 in the day I'm mainly probably 755 00:32:00,980 --> 00:32:00,150 creationist though okay and is that when 756 00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:00,990 you and your particularly aggressive 757 00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:02,610 mood gushue you hang with the 758 00:32:07,279 --> 00:32:05,250 freethought guys here yeah yeah I'm 759 00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:07,289 actually president of the few messes oh 760 00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:09,330 really yeah Hogan I was talking to 761 00:32:12,649 --> 00:32:11,010 Daniel earlier about the whole thing and 762 00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:12,659 we said that the probably the problem 763 00:32:15,169 --> 00:32:14,130 and free-thinking is a lot of people 764 00:32:17,210 --> 00:32:15,179 have to have a sit down and think about 765 00:32:18,590 --> 00:32:17,220 themselves before they commit to it and 766 00:32:20,299 --> 00:32:18,600 that's a pretty hard ask for a lot of 767 00:32:22,549 --> 00:32:20,309 people like myself who basically can't 768 00:32:23,810 --> 00:32:22,559 be asked I think it's kind of something 769 00:32:25,159 --> 00:32:23,820 that you do over time it's just 770 00:32:26,750 --> 00:32:25,169 something that lying in bed one night 771 00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:26,760 and can't you're thinking about 772 00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:28,770 something like that and that's what I do 773 00:32:31,909 --> 00:32:30,090 a lot of my thinking of personally or in 774 00:32:33,950 --> 00:32:31,919 the shower even oh and what actually 775 00:32:36,049 --> 00:32:33,960 sent you off on that path did you see a 776 00:32:38,270 --> 00:32:36,059 movie or read something or encounter 777 00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:38,280 some philosophy philosophy at uni or 778 00:32:41,810 --> 00:32:39,690 something this is something that one day 779 00:32:43,850 --> 00:32:41,820 went hang on I wasn't about your eight 780 00:32:46,460 --> 00:32:43,860 and started learning the evolution in 781 00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:46,470 school and thought hang on this is 782 00:32:49,100 --> 00:32:47,490 conflicting ideas with what I've been 783 00:32:51,049 --> 00:32:49,110 taught from the Bible cuz I was 784 00:32:52,940 --> 00:32:51,059 originally indoctrinated and thought 785 00:32:55,669 --> 00:32:52,950 this isn't working and so slowly over 786 00:32:57,500 --> 00:32:55,679 the next 10 5 users oh really let it all 787 00:32:59,149 --> 00:32:57,510 go and don't know I'm an atheist that's 788 00:33:00,620 --> 00:32:59,159 it pens down and also there's been a 789 00:33:02,450 --> 00:33:00,630 talka today about coming out as an 790 00:33:04,220 --> 00:33:02,460 atheist or at risk if someone who's 791 00:33:05,870 --> 00:33:04,230 skeptical how did you do with your 792 00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:05,880 family what's your suggestion while your 793 00:33:10,149 --> 00:33:08,330 experiences um 794 00:33:13,810 --> 00:33:10,159 I was still going to church whenever 795 00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:13,820 with my pants we weren't really going 796 00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:17,090 out a lot but we'd go and I'd not say 797 00:33:21,009 --> 00:33:19,250 anything I stand up to go to the motions 798 00:33:22,299 --> 00:33:21,019 just so people who were looking around 799 00:33:24,909 --> 00:33:22,309 at mean saw that I was going to the 800 00:33:27,070 --> 00:33:24,919 motions but didn't say anything and they 801 00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:27,080 didn't take it very nicely but they 802 00:33:30,490 --> 00:33:28,730 affected my decision so it's all really 803 00:33:34,630 --> 00:33:30,500 good and how Christmas dinners these 804 00:33:35,830 --> 00:33:34,640 days um my family back in the country so 805 00:33:39,700 --> 00:33:35,840 if I get a chance to get there we'll go 806 00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:39,710 out there and it's all good my my mum 807 00:33:43,750 --> 00:33:41,210 and dad know most pubs and scissors know 808 00:33:46,210 --> 00:33:43,760 put my grandparents I kind of latching 809 00:33:47,350 --> 00:33:46,220 on now that i'm not and they're not 810 00:33:48,789 --> 00:33:47,360 happy about it but they're not saying 811 00:33:51,009 --> 00:33:48,799 anything to me I don't think happy about 812 00:33:54,250 --> 00:33:51,019 anyway but yeah everyone's pretty happy 813 00:33:55,750 --> 00:33:54,260 with me so okay I much been the general 814 00:33:58,480 --> 00:33:55,760 consensus from the people you know hear 815 00:34:00,639 --> 00:33:58,490 about skip de camp today I think it 816 00:34:02,350 --> 00:34:00,649 turned out really well um personally 817 00:34:05,019 --> 00:34:02,360 would like to see more my can more my 818 00:34:06,399 --> 00:34:05,029 society people here do you think they 819 00:34:07,930 --> 00:34:06,409 didn't come because of the skeptics 820 00:34:10,119 --> 00:34:07,940 label or was there another reason or 821 00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:10,129 they actually got jobs I think it's more 822 00:34:15,430 --> 00:34:12,290 so because this is our last weekend 823 00:34:17,589 --> 00:34:15,440 before last week of uni so so they're 824 00:34:19,750 --> 00:34:17,599 drunk no not drunk is there working hard 825 00:34:21,250 --> 00:34:19,760 hopefully studying yes I be able to see 826 00:34:22,599 --> 00:34:21,260 they want to turn that credit into a 827 00:34:24,190 --> 00:34:22,609 hardest Inge Shin that's what they want 828 00:34:26,859 --> 00:34:24,200 and here you are swimming around with 829 00:34:28,690 --> 00:34:26,869 the skeptics yeah that's a good I'm not 830 00:34:31,210 --> 00:34:28,700 refer to be here than at work or should 831 00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:31,220 be otherwise so that's true ok thanks 832 00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:36,710 look up just being now just been talking 833 00:34:40,100 --> 00:34:37,770 to random people this guy's pretty 834 00:34:42,110 --> 00:34:40,110 random watch on its a Brad Kendall right 835 00:34:44,720 --> 00:34:42,120 now what's your speciality why you here 836 00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:44,730 today is a skeptic camp guy I'm a member 837 00:34:48,350 --> 00:34:46,050 of the more d alec skeptics in the pub 838 00:34:49,909 --> 00:34:48,360 one of the organizers and i did a 839 00:34:52,159 --> 00:34:49,919 presentation called what's might ism 840 00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:52,169 just recently I missed that when I was 841 00:34:55,730 --> 00:34:53,610 out talking to the freethinkers that's 842 00:34:58,310 --> 00:34:55,740 okay I was up against a a very well 843 00:35:00,560 --> 00:34:58,320 titled presentation called getting to 844 00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:00,570 the bottom of colon cleansing so if you 845 00:35:03,500 --> 00:35:01,890 had a red there's in minor I would have 846 00:35:05,210 --> 00:35:03,510 gone to theirs as well look I was there 847 00:35:06,740 --> 00:35:05,220 just for fetish reasons but also I'm 848 00:35:08,420 --> 00:35:06,750 going to go and have a colonist copy in 849 00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:08,430 a few weeks times I thought I might know 850 00:35:12,230 --> 00:35:10,290 what I'm in for ferret fair enough we're 851 00:35:13,790 --> 00:35:12,240 colon cleansing and colonoscopy very 852 00:35:16,100 --> 00:35:13,800 different every science versus 853 00:35:17,420 --> 00:35:16,110 pseudoscience yeah absolutely and what 854 00:35:20,090 --> 00:35:17,430 has been your favorite thing about today 855 00:35:21,740 --> 00:35:20,100 here I mean added to talk Schumi when 856 00:35:23,690 --> 00:35:21,750 will you weren't booed did anyone walk 857 00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:23,700 out a little bit of heckling but now it 858 00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:24,810 was it was a very good experience 859 00:35:29,210 --> 00:35:27,690 overall I love the skeptical community 860 00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:29,220 and you know I've been involved for a 861 00:35:32,210 --> 00:35:30,690 little while now I'm sort of cutting my 862 00:35:33,260 --> 00:35:32,220 teeth on this sort of discussion and 863 00:35:34,700 --> 00:35:33,270 these sorts of presentations is 864 00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:34,710 fantastic is great to see is coming away 865 00:35:38,660 --> 00:35:36,930 or coming out what's your favorite whoo 866 00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:38,670 I mean your favorite mood to just like 867 00:35:40,910 --> 00:35:39,810 the one you love to hate I'll be 868 00:35:42,260 --> 00:35:40,920 announcing it run that today because 869 00:35:43,580 --> 00:35:42,270 it's good as a skeptics convention to 870 00:35:45,830 --> 00:35:43,590 find out you know a lot of people 871 00:35:47,240 --> 00:35:45,840 anti-vaccination of course that's when a 872 00:35:48,710 --> 00:35:47,250 lot of people are against astrology 873 00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:48,720 that's one lower down the level what's 874 00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:50,130 the one that makes you go hang on a 875 00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:52,050 minute yes oh look I did a presentation 876 00:35:55,610 --> 00:35:53,850 at a skeptics in the pub just recently 877 00:35:57,260 --> 00:35:55,620 called what's the harm and the one that 878 00:35:58,520 --> 00:35:57,270 came out for me with it actually is 879 00:36:02,630 --> 00:35:58,530 doing the most damage and doesn't get 880 00:36:04,670 --> 00:36:02,640 enough press is age denial so HIV denial 881 00:36:07,370 --> 00:36:04,680 in Africa is killing me killing millions 882 00:36:08,240 --> 00:36:07,380 of people every year and we should be 883 00:36:10,130 --> 00:36:08,250 putting more effort into that as a 884 00:36:11,720 --> 00:36:10,140 skeptical community and things because 885 00:36:14,420 --> 00:36:11,730 we don't have that as much in this 886 00:36:15,530 --> 00:36:14,430 country we just don't sit absolutely I 887 00:36:17,330 --> 00:36:15,540 think that it you know it's out of sight 888 00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:17,340 out of mind for us so things like a 889 00:36:21,620 --> 00:36:19,890 homeopathy and navy and a more topical 890 00:36:23,300 --> 00:36:21,630 for us you know the Blackmore scam and 891 00:36:24,950 --> 00:36:23,310 you no sense of slim those things are 892 00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:24,960 getting press for us but you know the 893 00:36:28,049 --> 00:36:26,970 HIV deniers they're actually killing 894 00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:28,059 people 895 00:36:32,789 --> 00:36:30,130 and what would be the is there a poster 896 00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:32,799 person for that denial I look there is I 897 00:36:36,900 --> 00:36:34,930 think name escapes me at the moment but 898 00:36:39,209 --> 00:36:36,910 there are quite a few people that are 899 00:36:41,219 --> 00:36:39,219 buying into the you know the HIV doesn't 900 00:36:43,319 --> 00:36:41,229 cause AIDS so you know we need to we 901 00:36:44,489 --> 00:36:43,329 need to get involved or I think we'll 902 00:36:57,660 --> 00:36:44,499 have a good day here and hope you enjoy 903 00:37:00,209 --> 00:36:57,670 thank you scopes monkey player Scopes 904 00:37:02,549 --> 00:37:00,219 Monkey choir wait are we a fire no when 905 00:37:07,469 --> 00:37:02,559 I require but we are musicians when I 906 00:37:10,289 --> 00:37:07,479 monk easy there we are primates so what 907 00:37:12,689 --> 00:37:10,299 is Scopes Monkey choir it's podcast oh 908 00:37:15,269 --> 00:37:12,699 yeah it's podcast it's the podcast where 909 00:37:17,249 --> 00:37:15,279 music and sound meets science and 910 00:37:18,870 --> 00:37:17,259 skepticism we are two professional 911 00:37:20,849 --> 00:37:18,880 musicians who decided to turn are 912 00:37:22,589 --> 00:37:20,859 skeptical eyes on our own profession we 913 00:37:25,199 --> 00:37:22,599 look at the science of music we look at 914 00:37:27,479 --> 00:37:25,209 studies recent studies about music and 915 00:37:32,519 --> 00:37:27,489 sound we look skeptically at musical 916 00:37:34,289 --> 00:37:32,529 myths we look at and we work out about 917 00:37:37,410 --> 00:37:34,299 music listen to us at Scopes Monkey 918 00:37:39,509 --> 00:37:37,420 choir calm I'll find us on iTunes Scopes 919 00:37:45,359 --> 00:37:39,519 Monkey choir the podcast for music and 920 00:37:48,359 --> 00:37:45,369 sounds meat science and skepticism join 921 00:37:54,310 --> 00:37:48,369 us now for drinking skeptically in the 922 00:37:59,300 --> 00:37:57,200 taking a water pitcher plate underwater 923 00:38:05,300 --> 00:37:59,310 pictures well I can't think of anything 924 00:38:07,190 --> 00:38:05,310 the gym today I not that interesting I 925 00:38:09,020 --> 00:38:07,200 can't think of anything better to do 926 00:38:11,350 --> 00:38:09,030 when you're in California then to take 927 00:38:13,580 --> 00:38:11,360 underwater photographs in a hot tub with 928 00:38:15,470 --> 00:38:13,590 Brian Dunning Brian there's a pleasure 929 00:38:22,610 --> 00:38:15,480 to see you again and cheers everybody 930 00:38:25,100 --> 00:38:22,620 but you're recording all these wonderful 931 00:38:28,670 --> 00:38:25,110 people in reactors in the Californian 932 00:38:31,220 --> 00:38:28,680 think tank tub which is beautiful 933 00:38:33,050 --> 00:38:31,230 evening we have a half moon by palm 934 00:38:35,180 --> 00:38:33,060 tress either country a half moon by the 935 00:38:37,250 --> 00:38:35,190 palm tree what that what more could you 936 00:38:38,690 --> 00:38:37,260 want because this is Southern California 937 00:38:41,300 --> 00:38:38,700 and hear everyone's has ever been here 938 00:38:43,870 --> 00:38:41,310 you've seen Beverly Hills on TV it's all 939 00:38:46,670 --> 00:38:43,880 palm trees every Street every scarily 940 00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:46,680 there like a pissed on there you have to 941 00:38:54,860 --> 00:38:51,690 pull them have Botox thank you i hope 942 00:38:58,190 --> 00:38:54,870 these are my strange right area I mean 943 00:38:59,690 --> 00:38:58,200 of course now a la listeners I I'll 944 00:39:02,030 --> 00:38:59,700 describe the scene to you we're in a 945 00:39:05,720 --> 00:39:02,040 wonderful hot tub and it is hot yeah 946 00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:05,730 it's love one it's very warm i'm joined 947 00:39:09,530 --> 00:39:08,010 by some wonderfully interesting people 948 00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:09,540 that brian dunning has invited to his 949 00:39:13,070 --> 00:39:11,610 hot tub Brian why don't you introduce 950 00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:13,080 Ellison's to these wonderfully 951 00:39:17,990 --> 00:39:15,690 interesting people okay i'm brian 952 00:39:20,810 --> 00:39:18,000 dunning from scaphoid calm oh you had to 953 00:39:23,090 --> 00:39:20,820 say it he had to say right here we have 954 00:39:25,900 --> 00:39:23,100 Christine Christine D do you actually 955 00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:25,910 work at UCI where'd I get that idea 956 00:39:31,370 --> 00:39:29,610 that's my alma mater command exaggerated 957 00:39:32,720 --> 00:39:31,380 days very long time ago but then I think 958 00:39:34,940 --> 00:39:32,730 we know some of the same music faculty 959 00:39:36,470 --> 00:39:34,950 there that's right we do you should see 960 00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:36,480 this business Christine is actually in 961 00:39:41,030 --> 00:39:38,010 the most interesting position they put 962 00:39:42,500 --> 00:39:41,040 up in the air apparently she has to be 963 00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:42,510 in a strange position to listen to 964 00:39:47,720 --> 00:39:44,610 conversation and then moving around the 965 00:39:49,700 --> 00:39:47,730 circle we have you penny or Penelope 966 00:39:54,590 --> 00:39:49,710 which was preferred Oh penny is fine 967 00:39:57,400 --> 00:39:54,600 then worth and what penny Chan and you 968 00:40:03,240 --> 00:39:57,410 are i'm penelope Chad 969 00:40:07,330 --> 00:40:03,250 we got that I'm here and she's here okay 970 00:40:10,660 --> 00:40:07,340 and then in the corner we have Neil Neil 971 00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:10,670 polzin hello hello now Brian um I've had 972 00:40:16,050 --> 00:40:12,650 some requests from listeners who are 973 00:40:21,700 --> 00:40:16,060 also strangely enough fans of your show 974 00:40:23,530 --> 00:40:21,710 which is Skip toy don't you yes and what 975 00:40:25,900 --> 00:40:23,540 they want my listener trying them yo 976 00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:25,910 listen I session I think you're 977 00:40:31,570 --> 00:40:28,490 listening lives in Australia and they're 978 00:40:34,260 --> 00:40:31,580 curious to know because um heavens above 979 00:40:41,100 --> 00:40:34,270 you you produce a good solid 10 minutes 980 00:40:43,420 --> 00:40:41,110 every week now when you're 11 the top 981 00:40:44,890 --> 00:40:43,430 that came out wrong it just sounds like 982 00:40:46,690 --> 00:40:44,900 he works he works 10 minutes a week 983 00:40:48,790 --> 00:40:46,700 that's crazy no but you produce a 984 00:40:50,770 --> 00:40:48,800 podcast which goes for 11 of 12 minutes 985 00:40:53,230 --> 00:40:50,780 yes but it's packed full of information 986 00:40:55,270 --> 00:40:53,240 our listeners would like our listeners 987 00:40:57,490 --> 00:40:55,280 would like to know what's your process 988 00:40:59,590 --> 00:40:57,500 your week by week process and putting 989 00:41:01,360 --> 00:40:59,600 together a show from where do you get 990 00:41:04,150 --> 00:41:01,370 the ideas from to how do you do your 991 00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:04,160 research to do I start on the homepage 992 00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:06,050 of Wikipedia and look at today's news 993 00:41:14,260 --> 00:41:09,290 click on the article and read it moving 994 00:41:16,570 --> 00:41:14,270 on notability utilize with this process 995 00:41:18,610 --> 00:41:16,580 change Wikipedia yeah you get a lot of 996 00:41:21,730 --> 00:41:18,620 that one day I did conservapedia by 997 00:41:23,620 --> 00:41:21,740 mistake that was a real desire well you 998 00:41:25,630 --> 00:41:23,630 put in you search for science and a 999 00:41:27,730 --> 00:41:25,640 picture Hitler comes up right nautical 1000 00:41:29,950 --> 00:41:27,740 head that is absolutely true I thought 1001 00:41:32,710 --> 00:41:29,960 that sounded like a joke what and it's 1002 00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:32,720 for real yeah there there there article 1003 00:41:37,150 --> 00:41:35,210 on evolution at the time I did their 1004 00:41:39,190 --> 00:41:37,160 podcast especially about conservapedia 1005 00:41:41,500 --> 00:41:39,200 their article when you search for 1006 00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:41,510 evolution the picture at the top of the 1007 00:41:46,510 --> 00:41:43,970 page was Hitler standing there shouting 1008 00:41:48,130 --> 00:41:46,520 at the pulpit now they still have that 1009 00:41:49,810 --> 00:41:48,140 picture on the pain with a sense moved 1010 00:41:51,580 --> 00:41:49,820 it way way way down the page and 1011 00:41:54,610 --> 00:41:51,590 actually have a picture of Charles 1012 00:41:58,210 --> 00:41:54,620 Darwin at the top searches welcome as it 1013 00:42:00,480 --> 00:41:58,220 kinda so they can demonize get however 1014 00:42:03,130 --> 00:42:00,490 easier to demonize them Hitler I 1015 00:42:04,810 --> 00:42:03,140 understand that you get a lot of 1016 00:42:07,060 --> 00:42:04,820 suggestions from listeners who are very 1017 00:42:10,180 --> 00:42:07,070 keen to send you ideas all the time I 1018 00:42:10,420 --> 00:42:10,190 get that my email is backed up like 500 1019 00:42:12,670 --> 00:42:10,430 ms 1020 00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:12,680 just going back about nine months right 1021 00:42:18,220 --> 00:42:15,650 now that I have not yet replied to or 1022 00:42:20,319 --> 00:42:18,230 thank the person or value it's it's the 1023 00:42:22,930 --> 00:42:20,329 volume of email i get suggesting ideas 1024 00:42:24,549 --> 00:42:22,940 is just staggering now since on your 1025 00:42:26,559 --> 00:42:24,559 show you you keep it strictly to the 1026 00:42:29,890 --> 00:42:26,569 topic I know that which is great and 1027 00:42:31,630 --> 00:42:29,900 don't please don't stop I'd give you an 1028 00:42:33,790 --> 00:42:31,640 opportunity now which you just did of 1029 00:42:36,609 --> 00:42:33,800 course to thank your listeners for being 1030 00:42:38,319 --> 00:42:36,619 so kind as to give you good ideas it's 1031 00:42:40,770 --> 00:42:38,329 not only the good ideas of the show is 1032 00:42:42,940 --> 00:42:40,780 listener supported and it's it's 1033 00:42:46,059 --> 00:42:42,950 financially supported by listeners and 1034 00:42:47,650 --> 00:42:46,069 it's virtually a full-time job for me 1035 00:42:49,690 --> 00:42:47,660 now I certainly spend a full time on it 1036 00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:49,700 and I'm having to work part-time at my 1037 00:42:54,549 --> 00:42:52,010 full time professional living to support 1038 00:42:57,460 --> 00:42:54,559 the family but it's it's absolutely full 1039 00:42:58,839 --> 00:42:57,470 time job doing just the the one show for 1040 00:43:00,940 --> 00:42:58,849 a week because of all the research 1041 00:43:02,349 --> 00:43:00,950 involved and it's not just producing the 1042 00:43:04,329 --> 00:43:02,359 show it's being the whole company 1043 00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:04,339 because since it's a listener supported 1044 00:43:07,329 --> 00:43:05,690 show you've got to do community 1045 00:43:09,339 --> 00:43:07,339 engagement you've got it you've got a 1046 00:43:12,460 --> 00:43:09,349 newsletter and keep in touch the people 1047 00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:12,470 doing Facebook and Twitter I'm and then 1048 00:43:17,470 --> 00:43:15,170 dealing with the requests for dealing 1049 00:43:18,789 --> 00:43:17,480 with the website dealing with the travel 1050 00:43:20,950 --> 00:43:18,799 arrangements and all this stuff it's 1051 00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:20,960 it's just a it's just an incredible 1052 00:43:27,010 --> 00:43:24,170 amount of work out it is fun so the 1053 00:43:29,410 --> 00:43:27,020 process is you get an idea for an 1054 00:43:31,059 --> 00:43:29,420 episode number it could be from you you 1055 00:43:32,740 --> 00:43:31,069 think of something or listen to suggest 1056 00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:32,750 you something or whatever they often 1057 00:43:35,859 --> 00:43:34,130 will send me some links to get me 1058 00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:35,869 started with something and I almost 1059 00:43:39,940 --> 00:43:38,450 always actually start with the wikipedia 1060 00:43:44,260 --> 00:43:39,950 page if it's as topic i'm not familiar 1061 00:43:46,630 --> 00:43:44,270 with to find out what the main sources 1062 00:43:49,599 --> 00:43:46,640 well I'll run a hypothetical by you go 1063 00:43:53,410 --> 00:43:49,609 for it and you can sort of as if this is 1064 00:43:55,059 --> 00:43:53,420 a skeptical topic so you get it in your 1065 00:43:56,799 --> 00:43:55,069 head one day that the next kept toy 1066 00:43:59,140 --> 00:43:56,809 Doris kept would soon should be all 1067 00:44:01,900 --> 00:43:59,150 about Vegemite ok 1068 00:44:06,030 --> 00:44:01,910 I'll take it take it from there well I'm 1069 00:44:08,980 --> 00:44:06,040 assuming there's some made me email me 1070 00:44:10,900 --> 00:44:08,990 yeah and and that episode would probably 1071 00:44:12,700 --> 00:44:10,910 be the conspiracy theory that Vegemite 1072 00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:12,710 is actually produced by the government 1073 00:44:18,270 --> 00:44:15,530 to dumb us all down so that we can would 1074 00:44:20,890 --> 00:44:18,280 be more easily processed into the 1075 00:44:25,180 --> 00:44:20,900 disintegration camps fluoride in the 1076 00:44:29,170 --> 00:44:25,190 water so it what yeah what I would do in 1077 00:44:30,700 --> 00:44:29,180 that case is YouTube is a great source 1078 00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:30,710 to find out what the wild conspiracy 1079 00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:32,690 claims are right because there's always 1080 00:44:39,310 --> 00:44:34,970 weirdos who make youtube videos yeah 1081 00:44:41,830 --> 00:44:39,320 like yeah like yeah they'll tell me what 1082 00:44:45,340 --> 00:44:41,840 what books they read what websites they 1083 00:44:47,020 --> 00:44:45,350 read I'll go and look at those and if 1084 00:44:49,270 --> 00:44:47,030 it's a health claim i'll go to something 1085 00:44:51,930 --> 00:44:49,280 like PubMed to find out what the what 1086 00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:51,940 the latest research actually is if it's 1087 00:44:57,310 --> 00:44:55,370 if it's some kind of a science claim 1088 00:45:00,130 --> 00:44:57,320 I'll I'll look through something like 1089 00:45:02,740 --> 00:45:00,140 Google Scholar go what's really neat is 1090 00:45:06,580 --> 00:45:02,750 I've been getting a lot of old books 1091 00:45:08,050 --> 00:45:06,590 increasingly on either kindle or books 1092 00:45:09,490 --> 00:45:08,060 that are really old and they've been 1093 00:45:12,070 --> 00:45:09,500 scanned and they're freely available on 1094 00:45:14,350 --> 00:45:12,080 Google Books almost every week now i'm 1095 00:45:16,750 --> 00:45:14,360 downloading some PDF or a kindle version 1096 00:45:18,790 --> 00:45:16,760 of some old book and turning to some old 1097 00:45:20,860 --> 00:45:18,800 pages i know that from listening to your 1098 00:45:24,910 --> 00:45:20,870 show of course and seriously i'm a big 1099 00:45:26,740 --> 00:45:24,920 fan the often citing the oldest 1100 00:45:28,390 --> 00:45:26,750 references you can on the topic right 1101 00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:28,400 the people who are there at the time at 1102 00:45:33,340 --> 00:45:30,650 least all the newspaper reports at that 1103 00:45:35,770 --> 00:45:33,350 time that's keeping with your with your 1104 00:45:37,270 --> 00:45:35,780 example of Vegemite it Vegemite sag uh 1105 00:45:39,130 --> 00:45:37,280 vermin conspiracy then you need to go 1106 00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:39,140 back and find out when Vegemite was 1107 00:45:42,850 --> 00:45:41,450 actually created and by who and where 1108 00:45:45,970 --> 00:45:42,860 and why and when all the implications 1109 00:45:48,460 --> 00:45:45,980 were and how it came to be and if it's 1110 00:45:51,340 --> 00:45:48,470 if it's been around for 200 300 years 1111 00:45:54,730 --> 00:45:51,350 then that can be quite a project yeah 1112 00:45:56,920 --> 00:45:54,740 and there's there are there are sources 1113 00:45:59,920 --> 00:45:56,930 that that have newspaper articles 1114 00:46:03,070 --> 00:45:59,930 archived going back that far that are 1115 00:46:05,020 --> 00:46:03,080 often reasonably searchable a lot of 1116 00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:05,030 times the text isn't very good or the 1117 00:46:08,830 --> 00:46:07,490 archives are just kind of blurring hard 1118 00:46:10,430 --> 00:46:08,840 to read but that also makes it hard to 1119 00:46:13,789 --> 00:46:10,440 search and hard 1120 00:46:16,349 --> 00:46:13,799 but it's it's it's a fascinating process 1121 00:46:18,539 --> 00:46:16,359 digging and digging and digging and and 1122 00:46:20,069 --> 00:46:18,549 you always find out that the people on 1123 00:46:22,230 --> 00:46:20,079 the internet who write blogs and stuff 1124 00:46:25,740 --> 00:46:22,240 and also they always copy and paste from 1125 00:46:29,910 --> 00:46:25,750 each other worst plagiarize errs almost 1126 00:46:32,039 --> 00:46:29,920 nobody writes you yeah that was the very 1127 00:46:35,670 --> 00:46:32,049 latest one jersey dev that would as a 1128 00:46:36,990 --> 00:46:35,680 young monster hunter enthusiast that was 1129 00:46:39,660 --> 00:46:37,000 one of my favorite wants to read about 1130 00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:39,670 and then it was always the same stuff 1131 00:46:43,490 --> 00:46:40,690 that you would read about his mother 1132 00:46:46,319 --> 00:46:43,500 leaves motherly yeah that was it aight 1133 00:46:50,910 --> 00:46:46,329 1735 surprising to limit it was a 1134 00:46:52,500 --> 00:46:50,920 political well to be to be clear i i i i 1135 00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:52,510 didn't find that it was a political 1136 00:46:57,000 --> 00:46:54,130 thing but i found that it was very 1137 00:46:58,859 --> 00:46:57,010 Calissa consistent with a political kind 1138 00:47:04,289 --> 00:46:58,869 of a political smear campaign against 1139 00:47:06,029 --> 00:47:04,299 Daniel leads and certainly certainly all 1140 00:47:10,710 --> 00:47:06,039 the circumstances to support that were 1141 00:47:11,940 --> 00:47:10,720 there and no no other mention of a 1142 00:47:13,859 --> 00:47:11,950 monster running around killing people 1143 00:47:16,349 --> 00:47:13,869 there is no mention of mantras killing 1144 00:47:18,690 --> 00:47:16,359 people in in the newspaper Specter all 1145 00:47:21,950 --> 00:47:18,700 right so you're referencing everything 1146 00:47:24,059 --> 00:47:21,960 you can't possibly can how do you 1147 00:47:25,980 --> 00:47:24,069 discriminate how do you think right I'll 1148 00:47:28,260 --> 00:47:25,990 use this information in this information 1149 00:47:30,390 --> 00:47:28,270 and bearing in mind you don't want to 1150 00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:30,400 speak for two hours on the subject that 1151 00:47:34,620 --> 00:47:32,890 no you have to really condense I have I 1152 00:47:37,079 --> 00:47:34,630 have to condense and I have to a bridge 1153 00:47:40,319 --> 00:47:37,089 and a lot of times I'm not able to look 1154 00:47:42,660 --> 00:47:40,329 at all the sources that I wish I was for 1155 00:47:45,510 --> 00:47:42,670 this Jersey Devil one I found out that 1156 00:47:47,010 --> 00:47:45,520 most of the oldest references were 1157 00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:47,020 written by this guy whose name I can't 1158 00:47:53,599 --> 00:47:49,770 remember at the moment who was a 1159 00:47:56,250 --> 00:47:53,609 historian for the city of Atlantic City 1160 00:47:57,990 --> 00:47:56,260 which is on the east coast yeah in New 1161 00:48:00,839 --> 00:47:58,000 Jersey just it's not it's the nearest 1162 00:48:02,250 --> 00:48:00,849 major city to where the whole Jersey 1163 00:48:04,799 --> 00:48:02,260 Devil finger which was famous for 1164 00:48:06,720 --> 00:48:04,809 gambling and I read this guy's I got 1165 00:48:08,490 --> 00:48:06,730 ahold of the skies books which was a big 1166 00:48:09,870 --> 00:48:08,500 pain and not almost made me late on the 1167 00:48:12,180 --> 00:48:09,880 episode it was so hard to get ahold of 1168 00:48:14,579 --> 00:48:12,190 this guy's books and his books were 1169 00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:14,589 horrible they were basically like poetry 1170 00:48:19,660 --> 00:48:16,450 and flowery descriptions of the 1171 00:48:22,780 --> 00:48:19,670 countryside as far as being 1172 00:48:23,710 --> 00:48:22,790 you know a description of concrete black 1173 00:48:24,700 --> 00:48:23,720 and white description of what was 1174 00:48:26,980 --> 00:48:24,710 happening with the Jersey Devil they 1175 00:48:29,109 --> 00:48:26,990 were absolutely useless and so I spent 1176 00:48:30,789 --> 00:48:29,119 all this time tracking down what 1177 00:48:33,460 --> 00:48:30,799 everyone on the internet thinks is the 1178 00:48:36,579 --> 00:48:33,470 best source turned out to be a total 1179 00:48:37,990 --> 00:48:36,589 bust well because I must admit I don't 1180 00:48:39,910 --> 00:48:38,000 remember when I first heard of the 1181 00:48:43,859 --> 00:48:39,920 Jersey Devil but when I first heard it I 1182 00:48:47,380 --> 00:48:43,869 thought jersey in the United Kingdom ah 1183 00:48:50,230 --> 00:48:47,390 yeah wrong one ya know cuz it's not 1184 00:48:55,599 --> 00:48:50,240 called the New Jersey Devil no and see 1185 00:48:58,539 --> 00:48:55,609 which is not Jersey oh yeah the New 1186 00:49:07,109 --> 00:48:58,549 Jersey Devil with Aoki team claims for 1187 00:49:09,339 --> 00:49:07,119 The Sopranos oh wow but everyone always 1188 00:49:11,109 --> 00:49:09,349 seems to me that they make jokes about 1189 00:49:13,420 --> 00:49:11,119 people from New Jersey for some reason 1190 00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:13,430 yeah for some reason I'm sure we've done 1191 00:49:18,309 --> 00:49:16,130 shows listeners right now right by what 1192 00:49:20,559 --> 00:49:18,319 those reasons are but someone like me 1193 00:49:23,049 --> 00:49:20,569 it's like why it's I'm sure New Jersey 1194 00:49:27,549 --> 00:49:23,059 is a lovely place is he showing a scaly 1195 00:49:29,260 --> 00:49:27,559 right if we do I don't want you well I 1196 00:49:30,940 --> 00:49:29,270 mean you were making fun of people from 1197 00:49:32,799 --> 00:49:30,950 Adelaide the other day and I was I 1198 00:49:34,900 --> 00:49:32,809 wouldn't want to eat that Adelaide 1199 00:49:37,089 --> 00:49:34,910 people I promise I was not making fun of 1200 00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:37,099 you that ledger Bateman is very lovely 1201 00:49:44,530 --> 00:49:41,450 City yes that's what he was saying don't 1202 00:49:46,930 --> 00:49:44,540 listen to Brian Dunning now okay we've 1203 00:49:49,569 --> 00:49:46,940 got to the stage where you're you know 1204 00:49:51,220 --> 00:49:49,579 you've got a limited time you've got 1205 00:49:53,500 --> 00:49:51,230 lots of information and you're going to 1206 00:49:57,400 --> 00:49:53,510 abridge some and everything else now it 1207 00:49:59,260 --> 00:49:57,410 comes time to writing your script well 1208 00:50:01,089 --> 00:49:59,270 you need to construct a story you need 1209 00:50:03,970 --> 00:50:01,099 to set the premise this is a big 1210 00:50:06,010 --> 00:50:03,980 undertaking yeah you know I've always 1211 00:50:07,750 --> 00:50:06,020 got a few in the hopper that are in some 1212 00:50:11,079 --> 00:50:07,760 kind of outline stage and I'm always 1213 00:50:13,740 --> 00:50:11,089 expanding the outline as I go working on 1214 00:50:16,780 --> 00:50:13,750 sometimes one story sometimes the other 1215 00:50:20,349 --> 00:50:16,790 whichever one is you know kind of hits 1216 00:50:22,900 --> 00:50:20,359 my fancy at the moment and then then 1217 00:50:26,170 --> 00:50:22,910 it's just a matter of it's largely a 1218 00:50:28,210 --> 00:50:26,180 matter of been editing and deciding 1219 00:50:30,700 --> 00:50:28,220 what's the best strongest information 1220 00:50:31,690 --> 00:50:30,710 and omitting stuff that's less 1221 00:50:35,230 --> 00:50:31,700 interesting 1222 00:50:38,859 --> 00:50:35,240 les hommes doesn't point as strongly to 1223 00:50:41,170 --> 00:50:38,869 one conclusion or another you know kind 1224 00:50:43,569 --> 00:50:41,180 of somewhere along the way somewhere 1225 00:50:46,060 --> 00:50:43,579 along the whole process I kind of get 1226 00:50:49,270 --> 00:50:46,070 the picture of what the real situation 1227 00:50:51,660 --> 00:50:49,280 probably is yeah and that's do you have 1228 00:50:53,950 --> 00:50:51,670 your own editors or do you do suck no I 1229 00:50:56,680 --> 00:50:53,960 kind of have to do it all myself because 1230 00:50:59,890 --> 00:50:56,690 it's so time sensitive I just simply 1231 00:51:01,359 --> 00:50:59,900 don't have don't have the time to wait 1232 00:51:05,290 --> 00:51:01,369 for someone to help me out with 1233 00:51:07,569 --> 00:51:05,300 something so somewhere along the process 1234 00:51:09,700 --> 00:51:07,579 all know kind of what the end conclusion 1235 00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:09,710 is going to be sometimes that's later 1236 00:51:14,230 --> 00:51:11,450 than I expect and I end up chopping out 1237 00:51:15,640 --> 00:51:14,240 two thirds of the episode because after 1238 00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:15,650 I've done all the work I find out you 1239 00:51:19,630 --> 00:51:17,450 know you go guess you're getting down a 1240 00:51:21,730 --> 00:51:19,640 rung yeah yeah yeah that happens more 1241 00:51:23,680 --> 00:51:21,740 often than you'd think yeah really and 1242 00:51:25,630 --> 00:51:23,690 you know i know i've probably missed 1243 00:51:27,790 --> 00:51:25,640 that fork in the road sometimes and come 1244 00:51:29,770 --> 00:51:27,800 up with the wrong conclusion but yeah oh 1245 00:51:32,950 --> 00:51:29,780 your listeners late you know oh yeah 1246 00:51:35,770 --> 00:51:32,960 they do indeed but they let me know on 1247 00:51:37,690 --> 00:51:35,780 every episode makes no difference which 1248 00:51:39,640 --> 00:51:37,700 I what it is every single episode has 1249 00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:39,650 got just as much criticism as every 1250 00:51:43,990 --> 00:51:41,810 other everyone thinks so dunning really 1251 00:51:46,030 --> 00:51:44,000 missed the mark on this one now dunning 1252 00:51:50,109 --> 00:51:46,040 really must mark on everyone depending 1253 00:51:52,270 --> 00:51:50,119 on who you wow so funny after intense 1254 00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:52,280 research and then you sit down at the 1255 00:51:56,650 --> 00:51:53,690 computer and you simply type out the 1256 00:51:58,589 --> 00:51:56,660 script you're finally happy with the you 1257 00:52:01,510 --> 00:51:58,599 think this is it this is the episode 1258 00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:01,520 recording yep recording now it sounds 1259 00:52:05,650 --> 00:52:03,770 pretty good I must say it sounds nice 1260 00:52:07,180 --> 00:52:05,660 and clear and everything I'm sure there 1261 00:52:10,059 --> 00:52:07,190 are a lot of double takes and mistakes 1262 00:52:11,859 --> 00:52:10,069 and restarts yeah so what if we need to 1263 00:52:14,050 --> 00:52:11,869 refill glasses thank you to edit this 1264 00:52:15,520 --> 00:52:14,060 out sure uh oh yeah the people enjoy 1265 00:52:20,740 --> 00:52:15,530 listening to the refilling of work I'll 1266 00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:20,750 let it this out lessness oh that 1267 00:52:25,990 --> 00:52:23,690 fortified wine working and I i I'm in 1268 00:52:28,059 --> 00:52:26,000 german SI joint I had a little bit vodka 1269 00:52:31,839 --> 00:52:28,069 in my in like this is at a back in the 1270 00:52:34,450 --> 00:52:31,849 cab it's erotic erotica back yeah so now 1271 00:52:36,970 --> 00:52:34,460 listeners don't drink and drive Brian 1272 00:52:41,790 --> 00:52:36,980 don't drink and drink and hot tub 1273 00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:41,800 usually so recording let's go 1274 00:52:46,770 --> 00:52:44,410 uh it sounds good it sounds lice and 1275 00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:46,780 clear and you've got a all right this is 1276 00:52:50,430 --> 00:52:48,490 terrible i'm flattering brian dunning 1277 00:52:52,410 --> 00:52:50,440 who's a complete goofball you've got a 1278 00:52:56,240 --> 00:52:52,420 good speaking voice for right each got a 1279 00:53:00,510 --> 00:52:56,250 good face for radio or audio I must say 1280 00:53:03,870 --> 00:53:00,520 what's he what's the process well I do 1281 00:53:07,230 --> 00:53:03,880 the actual recording in GarageBand my 1282 00:53:11,340 --> 00:53:07,240 friend Jeff McPherson dr. T of dr. Tiki 1283 00:53:12,690 --> 00:53:11,350 Fame the video podcast advises me 1284 00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:12,700 there's no need to use more software 1285 00:53:16,860 --> 00:53:14,770 than you need what did mark app than you 1286 00:53:18,390 --> 00:53:16,870 need so my eyes garageband works 1287 00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:18,400 perfectly well for me so I don't make 1288 00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:20,650 any effort to use anything fancier or 1289 00:53:26,720 --> 00:53:23,770 more complicated that will give me more 1290 00:53:29,490 --> 00:53:26,730 trouble than it's worth and I use a 1291 00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:29,500 professional lavalier microphone which I 1292 00:53:34,980 --> 00:53:31,810 was advised by the guy who used to 1293 00:53:37,290 --> 00:53:34,990 produce the Opera he used to the wire 1294 00:53:39,240 --> 00:53:37,300 the opera singers at UC Irvine opera 1295 00:53:42,450 --> 00:53:39,250 performances and he said the best place 1296 00:53:43,530 --> 00:53:42,460 to wire someone is to put their mike is 1297 00:53:45,690 --> 00:53:43,540 right smack in the middle of their 1298 00:53:47,220 --> 00:53:45,700 forehead now you can't do that often an 1299 00:53:48,630 --> 00:53:47,230 opera because of their costume off and 1300 00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:48,640 wearing a hat or some kind of hair or 1301 00:53:51,840 --> 00:53:49,810 something like that but if you can 1302 00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:51,850 that's the best place for Mike and I 1303 00:53:54,960 --> 00:53:53,290 tried putting the mic in all kinds of 1304 00:53:56,820 --> 00:53:54,970 different places and there was a 1305 00:53:58,290 --> 00:53:56,830 significant difference it sounded great 1306 00:54:00,270 --> 00:53:58,300 right in the middle of the forehead yeah 1307 00:54:01,920 --> 00:54:00,280 so that's where I that's where I put the 1308 00:54:04,890 --> 00:54:01,930 mic I guess a lot of the thing about 1309 00:54:06,210 --> 00:54:04,900 that is you know my microphone and the 1310 00:54:08,370 --> 00:54:06,220 microphone are using to record this 1311 00:54:11,940 --> 00:54:08,380 right I can't put that in the middle of 1312 00:54:14,370 --> 00:54:11,950 my father to just would but you wouldn't 1313 00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:14,380 you get the the breath hmm yeah yeah I 1314 00:54:18,060 --> 00:54:15,970 have a huge problem with that what I try 1315 00:54:20,820 --> 00:54:18,070 to use a regular microphone with a boot 1316 00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:20,830 then and it's real I'm terrible with me 1317 00:54:24,540 --> 00:54:22,330 too yeah yeah and with the LAV alere 1318 00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:24,550 that's all completely gone because it's 1319 00:54:28,920 --> 00:54:26,410 it's out of the line of sight of your 1320 00:54:33,330 --> 00:54:28,930 mouth whether the line of sight of your 1321 00:54:39,210 --> 00:54:33,340 mouth yeah brian dunning like them I'll 1322 00:54:41,010 --> 00:54:39,220 delighted aloneness I additionally so 1323 00:54:43,830 --> 00:54:41,020 you're in your office you've got the 1324 00:54:46,320 --> 00:54:43,840 script in front of you paper or screen 1325 00:54:48,870 --> 00:54:46,330 paper paper you've got a microphone 1326 00:54:51,240 --> 00:54:48,880 sitting on you're fired oh my forehead 1327 00:54:54,390 --> 00:54:51,250 is common foot forward is that the 1328 00:54:55,920 --> 00:54:54,400 horrid horrid sorry this is your forward 1329 00:54:59,730 --> 00:54:55,930 for it 1330 00:55:04,200 --> 00:54:59,740 what do you mean it's imagine giving the 1331 00:55:07,660 --> 00:55:04,210 auditorium in the middle of your fire 1332 00:55:10,359 --> 00:55:07,670 and away you go right and of course of 1333 00:55:13,390 --> 00:55:10,369 course you do it in one take flawlessly 1334 00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:13,400 every time yep actually the finish 1335 00:55:17,140 --> 00:55:14,890 recording is usually about 20 minutes 1336 00:55:19,299 --> 00:55:17,150 because I end up saying a lot of 1337 00:55:21,069 --> 00:55:19,309 sentences a couple of times and mmm 1338 00:55:22,839 --> 00:55:21,079 knows i'm going to walk in the room or a 1339 00:55:25,210 --> 00:55:22,849 car will drive by and all kinds of 1340 00:55:27,180 --> 00:55:25,220 things will go wrong okay but yeah then 1341 00:55:30,849 --> 00:55:27,190 it takes about an hour to edit it and I 1342 00:55:32,710 --> 00:55:30,859 he yeah power that's all it doesn't seem 1343 00:55:34,809 --> 00:55:32,720 like very much long to edit I mean it 1344 00:55:36,069 --> 00:55:34,819 really sounds it it's everything is 1345 00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:36,079 really just salt and seems reasonable 1346 00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:37,970 yes County not bad pieces out yeah yeah 1347 00:55:41,470 --> 00:55:39,890 and sliding them sliding the people 1348 00:55:44,740 --> 00:55:41,480 together it's not that bad if you have 1349 00:55:46,660 --> 00:55:44,750 good capture it goes yeah yeah yeah I 1350 00:55:50,410 --> 00:55:46,670 don't have to do any although or 1351 00:55:53,559 --> 00:55:50,420 anything right a recent episode you 1352 00:55:55,089 --> 00:55:53,569 there's a little pickup yeah there's 1353 00:55:57,309 --> 00:55:55,099 also a little hiccup and I think it's 1354 00:55:59,440 --> 00:55:57,319 episode 6 the pond magnet foolishness 1355 00:56:02,500 --> 00:55:59,450 very early episode in which I was 1356 00:56:04,720 --> 00:56:02,510 talking in which I was talking and then 1357 00:56:06,579 --> 00:56:04,730 continues like it yeah yeah I never went 1358 00:56:08,859 --> 00:56:06,589 back in there yeah and corrected it it's 1359 00:56:11,049 --> 00:56:08,869 rare it's very rare you let that go by 1360 00:56:12,760 --> 00:56:11,059 I'm sure that I and there have been 1361 00:56:17,319 --> 00:56:12,770 episodes of the zone the skeptics and 1362 00:56:19,660 --> 00:56:17,329 have gone out and as soon as they go out 1363 00:56:22,630 --> 00:56:19,670 I'll download it and listen to it as a 1364 00:56:25,089 --> 00:56:22,640 double and final check and more than 1365 00:56:27,220 --> 00:56:25,099 that no no you should more than once 1366 00:56:29,710 --> 00:56:27,230 I've been listening to it nothing oh no 1367 00:56:32,319 --> 00:56:29,720 I forgot to edit out that fit and I've 1368 00:56:34,900 --> 00:56:32,329 quickly gone straight back and up load 1369 00:56:37,150 --> 00:56:34,910 but then the listeners you get it very 1370 00:56:39,069 --> 00:56:37,160 first sometimes get the mistakes but 1371 00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:39,079 there you go you know it's all right 1372 00:56:44,799 --> 00:56:42,410 yeah and by the time the first 25,000 1373 00:56:49,210 --> 00:56:44,809 people have downloaded it you hear you 1374 00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:49,220 get this feedback um well I'm thank you 1375 00:56:53,500 --> 00:56:51,770 Brian that's that's great I'm and I know 1376 00:56:55,569 --> 00:56:53,510 a lot of your listeners who are a lot of 1377 00:56:59,859 --> 00:56:55,579 my listeners will be oh that's how he 1378 00:57:01,510 --> 00:56:59,869 does it how about that yeah he doesn't 1379 00:57:03,849 --> 00:57:01,520 have lightened he doesn't have a team of 1380 00:57:06,210 --> 00:57:03,859 20 people researching any dog person I 1381 00:57:08,250 --> 00:57:06,220 do have I do have a Google 1382 00:57:09,870 --> 00:57:08,260 group yeah which is an email list you're 1383 00:57:12,450 --> 00:57:09,880 on it pennies on it pennies I helped you 1384 00:57:14,460 --> 00:57:12,460 with the episode student questions which 1385 00:57:17,550 --> 00:57:14,470 one was your daughter asked about um 1386 00:57:19,589 --> 00:57:17,560 hair products oh that's right yes and as 1387 00:57:21,060 --> 00:57:19,599 a woman that I researched this 1388 00:57:23,400 --> 00:57:21,070 extensively from a scientific standpoint 1389 00:57:25,320 --> 00:57:23,410 and know the ones that say good for long 1390 00:57:27,660 --> 00:57:25,330 hair good for short hair yeah really 1391 00:57:31,740 --> 00:57:27,670 like yeah there's only so much you can 1392 00:57:34,080 --> 00:57:31,750 do yeah had great I have I i if there's 1393 00:57:35,790 --> 00:57:34,090 a question that I just can't find or 1394 00:57:38,190 --> 00:57:35,800 that i know i'm not going to be able to 1395 00:57:39,510 --> 00:57:38,200 get access to because it's a behind some 1396 00:57:42,060 --> 00:57:39,520 pay wall or something that i don't i 1397 00:57:45,330 --> 00:57:42,070 don't have also the question out to this 1398 00:57:47,160 --> 00:57:45,340 to this google group well be the amount 1399 00:57:49,620 --> 00:57:47,170 and volume of feedback that I get is 1400 00:57:52,650 --> 00:57:49,630 just it's like drinking from a fire 1401 00:57:54,900 --> 00:57:52,660 hoses but it's great any any question in 1402 00:57:57,630 --> 00:57:54,910 the world anyone wants to answer this 1403 00:57:59,160 --> 00:57:57,640 list will will come up with it and i 1404 00:58:01,440 --> 00:57:59,170 only get really a chance to use it maybe 1405 00:58:05,330 --> 00:58:01,450 once or twice a month now penny 1406 00:58:09,150 --> 00:58:05,340 obviously your yo you listen to the 1407 00:58:11,460 --> 00:58:09,160 skeptic and brian block your ears i'm 1408 00:58:15,240 --> 00:58:11,470 sure you get a lot of great benefit out 1409 00:58:17,070 --> 00:58:15,250 of it tues as many people yeah I mean I 1410 00:58:18,599 --> 00:58:17,080 you learned a lot doing the show of 1411 00:58:20,070 --> 00:58:18,609 course Brian when you're researching on 1412 00:58:21,359 --> 00:58:20,080 the stuff but then I have to forget it 1413 00:58:22,890 --> 00:58:21,369 the next week when i'm working on the 1414 00:58:24,930 --> 00:58:22,900 next episode but everything you've 1415 00:58:28,349 --> 00:58:24,940 learned it's gone out to the to the 1416 00:58:31,440 --> 00:58:28,359 great internets yes and is available for 1417 00:58:34,290 --> 00:58:31,450 everybody again and again and again it's 1418 00:58:38,010 --> 00:58:34,300 um i was showing you earlier this 1419 00:58:40,040 --> 00:58:38,020 afternoon actually um Khan Academy you 1420 00:58:42,420 --> 00:58:40,050 know this yes I was just using it today 1421 00:58:44,910 --> 00:58:42,430 actually I'm stretching my legs out I'm 1422 00:58:48,030 --> 00:58:44,920 not trying to play footsies you time 1423 00:58:49,290 --> 00:58:48,040 like I mean this is um a wonderful man 1424 00:58:51,450 --> 00:58:49,300 and I can't remember where he lives 1425 00:58:55,440 --> 00:58:51,460 who's they he doesn't like Palo Alto 1426 00:58:59,700 --> 00:58:55,450 someone doesn't me on that but he's put 1427 00:59:02,370 --> 00:58:59,710 online okay he's amazing with 1428 00:59:05,280 --> 00:59:02,380 mathematics and he's and he's put on all 1429 00:59:06,839 --> 00:59:05,290 these free lessons for anybody you click 1430 00:59:10,260 --> 00:59:06,849 say oh how do I do this thing in 1431 00:59:12,750 --> 00:59:10,270 calculus Oh click oh and there's the 1432 00:59:15,780 --> 00:59:12,760 issue on partial derivatives just to do 1433 00:59:17,579 --> 00:59:15,790 a protest and it's such a great attitude 1434 00:59:20,010 --> 00:59:17,589 that that you have Brian and so many 1435 00:59:22,740 --> 00:59:20,020 people have that here's some information 1436 00:59:26,220 --> 00:59:22,750 I'm sure can benefit people go for it 1437 00:59:28,350 --> 00:59:26,230 it's free enjoy lund yeah I get the same 1438 00:59:30,390 --> 00:59:28,360 feedback that you do all the time from 1439 00:59:33,360 --> 00:59:30,400 people to say this has changed my life 1440 00:59:35,550 --> 00:59:33,370 or made some incredible difference in 1441 00:59:37,020 --> 00:59:35,560 the wife it's nice when yes yes knock 1442 00:59:39,350 --> 00:59:37,030 you to the floor every time your guys 1443 00:59:43,260 --> 00:59:39,360 definitely approximately having 1444 00:59:45,720 --> 00:59:43,270 downloaders how many people it's about 1445 00:59:48,020 --> 00:59:45,730 about 100 and 100 AUSA lights between 1446 00:59:50,880 --> 00:59:48,030 hundred three hundred and fifty thousand 1447 00:59:53,100 --> 00:59:50,890 that's unique IP addresses who download 1448 00:59:54,810 --> 00:59:53,110 one or more episodes in a week you know 1449 00:59:58,770 --> 00:59:54,820 seven-day period i just kind of measure 1450 01:00:00,810 --> 00:59:58,780 a rolling seven-day period mm-hmm which 1451 01:00:03,000 --> 01:00:00,820 seems like a lot of seems like a lot of 1452 01:00:06,420 --> 01:00:03,010 up and down to me so I there's either a 1453 01:00:09,450 --> 01:00:06,430 server error counting in my database or 1454 01:00:11,910 --> 01:00:09,460 or just I don't know and it's used in 1455 01:00:14,370 --> 01:00:11,920 certain schools and universities and all 1456 01:00:16,710 --> 01:00:14,380 the time from teachers who use not only 1457 01:00:18,690 --> 01:00:16,720 the podcast but also the books every 50 1458 01:00:27,210 --> 01:00:18,700 episodes go into a book which are 1459 01:00:30,360 --> 01:00:27,220 available on amazon.com and say that go 1460 01:00:32,220 --> 01:00:30,370 ahead say it subscribe now for a signed 1461 01:00:34,680 --> 01:00:32,230 autographed copy I have to know are you 1462 01:00:38,460 --> 01:00:34,690 kidding I can't see that a signed 1463 01:00:43,110 --> 01:00:38,470 autograph book there yeah kidding just 1464 01:00:44,760 --> 01:00:43,120 get over it JK yeah but but people use 1465 01:00:49,080 --> 01:00:44,770 it as a textbook in their class and 1466 01:00:51,480 --> 01:00:49,090 every time I hear like oh my god I never 1467 01:00:53,700 --> 01:00:51,490 anticipated that OOP it's it's it's 1468 01:00:55,230 --> 01:00:53,710 gratifying and scary at the same closest 1469 01:00:57,270 --> 01:00:55,240 thing towards immortality it's like 1470 01:00:58,440 --> 01:00:57,280 passing on our knowledge Fargo and I did 1471 01:01:00,300 --> 01:00:58,450 suggest it to my critical thinking 1472 01:01:04,710 --> 01:01:00,310 teacher my community college because 1473 01:01:05,940 --> 01:01:04,720 unless kids who transfer have to take to 1474 01:01:07,950 --> 01:01:05,950 English classes and one of them has to 1475 01:01:10,800 --> 01:01:07,960 be a critical thinking course what are 1476 01:01:13,980 --> 01:01:10,810 they teaching in the average they we go 1477 01:01:17,520 --> 01:01:13,990 over logical fallacies and we my teacher 1478 01:01:18,060 --> 01:01:17,530 specifically used demon haunted world to 1479 01:01:19,710 --> 01:01:18,070 teach 1480 01:01:21,960 --> 01:01:19,720 oh you didn't want to give me at all i 1481 01:01:23,100 --> 01:01:21,970 don't know why but once i think you they 1482 01:01:24,840 --> 01:01:23,110 taught us when i was in cup of tea this 1483 01:01:26,160 --> 01:01:24,850 is wonderful if they do the Socratic 1484 01:01:32,000 --> 01:01:26,170 stuff for some stuff that's totally 1485 01:01:37,170 --> 01:01:32,010 irrelevant this guy there's so much hope 1486 01:01:39,300 --> 01:01:37,180 I used to that that's nice teacher last 1487 01:01:41,100 --> 01:01:39,310 year I've been out of that school for a 1488 01:01:42,540 --> 01:01:41,110 while and I just just thought I'd drop 1489 01:01:44,130 --> 01:01:42,550 her a line and tell her about your 1490 01:01:47,550 --> 01:01:44,140 podcast she didn't reply but I'm sure 1491 01:01:50,390 --> 01:01:47,560 she appreciated I like to think that she 1492 01:01:54,330 --> 01:01:50,400 uses i like to think let's all think so 1493 01:01:56,280 --> 01:01:54,340 i get a buzz when you cover topics from 1494 01:01:58,530 --> 01:01:56,290 australia that's all this little 1495 01:02:00,810 --> 01:01:58,540 moonlight it's like the lindeman light 1496 01:02:03,270 --> 01:02:00,820 so the Westall UFO and when I was in 1497 01:02:04,860 --> 01:02:03,280 Australia for Tam Australia that was one 1498 01:02:08,160 --> 01:02:04,870 of the funnest weeks I've had in my 1499 01:02:10,620 --> 01:02:08,170 entire life it was just just so much fun 1500 01:02:12,630 --> 01:02:10,630 and I love more topics from Australia 1501 01:02:13,950 --> 01:02:12,640 the only other 1i have that I in my 1502 01:02:16,040 --> 01:02:13,960 folder that I haven't covered yet it's 1503 01:02:18,330 --> 01:02:16,050 the Yowie that's all I know about it so 1504 01:02:20,970 --> 01:02:18,340 anywhere in australia send me more ideas 1505 01:02:24,900 --> 01:02:20,980 of australian topics you know about the 1506 01:02:30,930 --> 01:02:24,910 y le pen it's like a hominin right 1507 01:02:33,030 --> 01:02:30,940 Bigfoot yea big it's your big back or 1508 01:02:36,840 --> 01:02:33,040 the Great Dividing range is it really 1509 01:02:40,380 --> 01:02:36,850 well for a mythical creature it can be 1510 01:02:44,160 --> 01:02:40,390 anywhere comment I saw one in my kitchen 1511 01:02:45,930 --> 01:02:44,170 yesterday you see um I reports from 1512 01:02:47,760 --> 01:02:45,940 Yowies everywhere from right up in 1513 01:02:51,150 --> 01:02:47,770 Queensland in the tropics to down south 1514 01:02:54,800 --> 01:02:51,160 it's of course why not you can make up 1515 01:02:59,340 --> 01:02:54,810 stuff ready ready it was a giant koala 1516 01:03:01,490 --> 01:02:59,350 the problem you and Amy Amy you not an 1517 01:03:06,900 --> 01:03:01,500 emu a melty let me say you were here 1518 01:03:12,330 --> 01:03:06,910 don't I was a three sounds for three 1519 01:03:13,650 --> 01:03:12,340 letters 'i 'e move and for now anyway 1520 01:03:15,780 --> 01:03:13,660 I'd like to thank everybody who's come 1521 01:03:18,960 --> 01:03:15,790 along here for the the second the only 1522 01:03:20,580 --> 01:03:18,970 the second skeptics in the doctor 1523 01:03:22,350 --> 01:03:20,590 narcotics in the top might be a little 1524 01:03:24,750 --> 01:03:22,360 good exercise to check on that regularly 1525 01:03:26,880 --> 01:03:24,760 I was very disappointed at the last 1526 01:03:29,190 --> 01:03:26,890 couple amazing meetings in Las Vegas 1527 01:03:30,880 --> 01:03:29,200 they co-opted the name skeptics in the 1528 01:03:32,950 --> 01:03:30,890 tub Oh 1529 01:03:35,500 --> 01:03:32,960 simply fill a hot tub full of drunken 1530 01:03:38,319 --> 01:03:35,510 convention goers without having the 1531 01:03:40,299 --> 01:03:38,329 intelligent conversation oh I've had 1532 01:03:41,650 --> 01:03:40,309 some intelligent conversation I think 1533 01:03:44,910 --> 01:03:41,660 I've just insulted everyone who was 1534 01:03:48,849 --> 01:03:44,920 there I think what has intros actually 1535 01:03:50,620 --> 01:03:48,859 but however what what a pleasure it is 1536 01:03:53,410 --> 01:03:50,630 brian thank you very much for hosting me 1537 01:03:55,440 --> 01:03:53,420 here in California beautiful dark and 1538 01:03:57,849 --> 01:03:55,450 slippery California it wasn't beautiful 1539 01:04:00,250 --> 01:03:57,859 still there through the palm trees I can 1540 01:04:01,269 --> 01:04:00,260 see it now it was absolutely you 1541 01:04:03,460 --> 01:04:01,279 remember did you see it on Halloween 1542 01:04:06,549 --> 01:04:03,470 that is happening what video as it was 1543 01:04:10,509 --> 01:04:06,559 yellow did Satan do that yes I thought 1544 01:04:12,880 --> 01:04:10,519 so so for now from from Brian Dunning's 1545 01:04:14,349 --> 01:04:12,890 hot tub which really does exist listen 1546 01:04:16,059 --> 01:04:14,359 as I can assure you of that and maybe 1547 01:04:18,099 --> 01:04:16,069 Brian will do a skep tied one day all 1548 01:04:20,349 --> 01:04:18,109 about its hot tub who knows maybe the 1549 01:04:30,480 --> 01:04:20,359 midnight because that's the reputation I 1550 01:04:57,630 --> 01:04:32,710 that will make an extra point because 1551 01:05:01,780 --> 01:04:59,620 well thank you for listening to the 1552 01:05:04,480 --> 01:05:01,790 skeptics I'm Brian Dunning us and I are 1553 01:05:06,760 --> 01:05:04,490 still here still here still working on 1554 01:05:08,230 --> 01:05:06,770 the chili burgers the lungs little scary 1555 01:05:09,850 --> 01:05:08,240 covet and the last little bit of you 1556 01:05:14,170 --> 01:05:09,860 then we're going to head back to our 1557 01:05:17,500 --> 01:05:14,180 hotel at stove stovepipe well well yes 1558 01:05:19,300 --> 01:05:17,510 which is where we are Panama Springs is 1559 01:05:22,410 --> 01:05:19,310 actually just outside the park and 1560 01:05:24,400 --> 01:05:22,420 stovepipe wells is inside the park and 1561 01:05:26,410 --> 01:05:24,410 we're staying there they've got a great 1562 01:05:32,100 --> 01:05:26,420 bar their two sons will be checking out 1563 01:05:35,110 --> 01:05:32,110 what else I can recommend Death Valley 1564 01:05:37,920 --> 01:05:35,120 California it is a magic place this 1565 01:05:42,370 --> 01:05:37,930 thing I I can't describe to you what 1566 01:05:44,320 --> 01:05:42,380 what variety of scenery that we 1567 01:05:47,200 --> 01:05:44,330 experience they and where the conditions 1568 01:05:48,820 --> 01:05:47,210 was there's a huge diversity I mean an 1569 01:05:51,550 --> 01:05:48,830 hour later you're in a completely 1570 01:05:53,980 --> 01:05:51,560 different what's the work will you 1571 01:05:55,480 --> 01:05:53,990 talking about the rotated away Joe gsv 1572 01:05:59,830 --> 01:05:55,490 geosphere you're in completely different 1573 01:06:03,610 --> 01:05:59,840 geosphere every hour we went from low 1574 01:06:06,940 --> 01:06:03,620 desert to high desert to pinion Pines to 1575 01:06:08,980 --> 01:06:06,950 snow to see I like that sea level seven 1576 01:06:10,780 --> 01:06:08,990 thousand above sea level two little 1577 01:06:12,910 --> 01:06:10,790 crazy a couple hundred below we're 1578 01:06:14,740 --> 01:06:12,920 everywhere it's a it's a highly 1579 01:06:17,800 --> 01:06:14,750 recommended and thus kept eyed monster 1580 01:06:21,160 --> 01:06:17,810 Jeep is ready to take you on the trip of 1581 01:06:23,500 --> 01:06:21,170 your dreams I can attest to that well 1582 01:06:25,960 --> 01:06:23,510 Brian Dunning thank you very much for 1583 01:06:28,270 --> 01:06:25,970 hosting me here in California and taking 1584 01:06:32,120 --> 01:06:28,280 you to this wonderful place so cheers 1585 01:06:42,020 --> 01:06:34,470 until next time this is Richard Saunders 1586 01:06:49,440 --> 01:06:44,430 you've been listening to the skeptic 1587 01:06:53,220 --> 01:06:49,450 zone visit our website at www skeptics